Loz - I find those from the indian sub-continent, australians, dutch, irish etc get the hang of it well enough and even share our humour. Can this really become a website where non americans feel at ease to express themselves if we have to bottle it? Not many english stay around too long, possibly because the social customs here can feel so peculiar. Of course I have an ulterior motive for hanging in and while I do I will speak in my own words.

'Then you should say what you mean,' the March Hare went on. 'I do,' Alice hastily replied; 'at least - at least I mean what I say - that's the same thing , you know.' 'Not the same thing a bit!' said the Hatter.