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No - but I'd be interested to learn if anyone has and if it worked for them.


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Hi Ankush,

If you look under The Formula tab - understanding the formula, imo, it appears that 'dr' Frank is basically trying to sell us water in a very small bottle with a very big price tag.

I'd keep my $20!

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Stacked remedies in homeopathy are not good to take. You should only take the ONE constitutional remedy that fits as close to your totality of symptoms, which will change as your symptoms change.

Yes, this one technically may work because it consists of every known remedy for pain. But, this can create other problems later.

You really need to consult with a proper homeopathist if you are going to do treatment this way. It is easy to mess yourself up. You may want to try Dr. Shah in India. My friend who's a homeopathist said his clinic is a good well-known clinic in the homeopathy world.


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The theory about homeopathy is that the more you dilute, the more powerful it is. Huh? Sounds like a bit of a swindle to me.
It could be the placebo effect working.

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I have no opinion one way or the other regarding homeopathy, but isn't this basically the same concept as a vaccine? A vaccine is made from the agent from which it is supposed to protect you and can produce, at least in the short term, symptoms of that related to that agent/illness. A homeopathic preparation, per my very limited understanding, is made from a substance that produces symptoms very similar to the actual illness with which the individual is plagued.

Interestingly enough, according to the Wikipedia (take it for what it's worth) entries for each, both came into being/prominence in 1796.


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A homeopathic preparation, per my very limited understanding, is made from a substance that produces symptoms very similar to the actual illness with which the individual is plagued.


Here's how someone explains it:

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The principle of dilutions (or "law of minimum dose") states that the lower the dose of the medication, the greater its effectiveness. In homeopathy, substances are diluted in a stepwise fashion and shaken vigorously between each dilution. This process, referred to as "potentization," is believed to transmit some form of information or energy from the original substance to the final diluted remedy. Most homeopathic remedies are so dilute that no molecules of the healing substance remain; however, in homeopathy, it is believed that the substance has left its imprint or "essence," which stimulates the body to heal itself (this theory is called the "memory of water").


To me that doesn't sound very scientific or plausible. Memory of water??? Do a search for that and you come up with some very entertaining articles.


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yes jay,

my understanding is that if used properly, homeopathy works as you describe it, and i think there is scientific validity to it. like with herbs, they do have a real place in medicine, but like anything else are not a cure all and can be used improperly.

for instance, when i was having real problems with my stomach, not only was i taking prilosec and when needed, mylanta, but i found teas of ginger, mint, chamomile to be very healing. however when i'd go to the herb shop to buy my herbs to make tea, the people working there would make it sound like any one herb could cure anything from indigestion to cancer.

we just have to critically evaluate things. can't believe everything we see and hear but important to not disbelieve everything either.



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i think there is scientific validity to it


I'm a skeptic as you might have guessed. Prove to me over and over that it works scientifically and all tests are repeatable and then I'll be on their side. Until then....
The very notion of diluting something to an infinitesimal degree to make it more powerful is, in my view, pretty bad.
Check out this link and watch the 3 videos at the bottom. The first 2 have it spot on and the 3rd is just plain weird. Any critical thinker would never believe her I'm sure. BTW, she was so far off on her string theory history I laughed out loud.

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Gabriele Veneziano, a research fellow at CERN (a European particle accelerator lab) in 1968, observed a strange coincidence - many properties of the strong nuclear force are perfectly described by the Euler beta-function, an obscure formula devised for purely mathematical reasons two hundred years earlier by Leonhard Euler. In the flurry of research that followed, Yoichiro Nambu of the University of Chicago, Holger Nielsen of the Niels Bohr Institute, and Leonard Susskind of Stanford University revealed that the nuclear interactions of elementary particles modeled as one-dimensional strings instead of zero-dimensional particles were described exactly by the Euler beta-function. This was, in effect, the birth of string theory. However, later experiments in the early '70s revealed that many of the theory's predictions were at odds with experimental data. As point-particle theory met success after success, string theory was left by the wayside by all but a few dedicated physicists.


http://www.skepdic.com/homeo.html


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hi tim,

i'd have to do a lot more reading about homeopathy to decide for myself...and if i ever decided to go that route, i would do just that, so at this time, i won't say for sure either way.

but i'll just compare it to the herbs, that i've done a lot more reading about, and also know that a lot of our modern medicines got their start from plants, marine animals, etc, and that there are still scientists looking for active compounds in nature. yet, one of my old bosses (another biochemist) couldn't believe that i believed in that (herbs) either.

as for what you linked, yes, i agree with you, a lot of wrong thinking there....



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