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You've touched on one or three topics so i'll comment on just one.
Low stomach acidity is real i think, hence a possible propensity to oral bacterial infection - i had three or four major gastric events that could have caused damage and have no doubt that bugs get past my stomach - the good friendly ones have the features to get past - acid loving salt tolerant.
I remember a conversation with Zark - that salt was probably a medicinal food additive in the past and is necessary in our diet - it is probably more necessary in the NSD/LSD diet as we are having the flesh proteins and fats - i have gone from no salt (ecxcept in what processed food i eat) to a daily dose of some level and maybe it helps...
There are many things different about each of us so i am not suggesting the same enzymes, the same bugs, the same condiments will cause improvement.

It appears that there are several scientists studing the way foods interact wich each individual genes. It's somehow a new science that is beggining: nutrigenomic . Maybe one day we all will have ways to test exactly what we can eat and cannot eat.

Check this sites:
http://www.healthtech.com/newsarticles/issue56.asp

Nutritional genomics

nutraingredients

There is going to happen a international conference on this subject in Auckland, New Zealand:
International Conference of Nutrigenomics

Are there any ASers there who want to go?

If you want to learn more, there is plenty of information on the net about this subject.

Zélia

Zelia, so glad you posted this!

I read the first link and it's frightening, I urge EVERYONE to read it. Because this Dr. Ordovas is laying out the way American researchers will be motivated to study this...by getting profit motivated business sponsorship intent on MODIFYING individual foodstuffs (bioengineering, genetically modified foods, or GMO)

NO NO NO. &^%^^*(*^%$$ ***ards are going to kill us all if they don't stop this "franken-food" approach.


There are two approaches to this, one, you study the humans, and tell them how to eat what already exists to be the healthiest, or two, you study the humans and the food and figure out how to change the seedstock of crops so the food is genetically changed and you can sell it for more and have the keepers of the seedstock make a profit.


quote from your first link:
"CHA: Could the term nutrigenomics extend to the modification of crops and agricultural commodities for enhanced nutritional value?

Dr. Ordovas: Yes, and I know this type of work is underway now.

CHA: How will nutrigenomic research affect food development?

Dr. Ordovas: In Europe, there are problems with GMO food, so it will not go far. But I can foresee elsewhere the existence of bar codes for personalized nutrition products in addition to regular foods. Dietary supplement companies will customize their products as well.

CHA: Do Americans want genetically modified food that has enhanced nutritional value? What about Europeans?

Dr. Ordovas: Americans? That is difficult. I do not know. How would you sell the product? I think food companies will be reluctant. It must be done in a way that does not raise suspicions. The Europeans will not be accepting at all, in the short term, because of the strong political influence there against GMOs. (bolding is mine)

CHA: Will other countries and/or regions, such as Asia, want genetically modified food with enhanced nutritional value?

Dr. Ordovas: Asia and Africa have done without for a long time. They have a more practical attitude and will be more accepting. Perhaps the fruits of this work will appear first in these places.

CHA: How does the current regulatory and safety environment affect food development, in your view?

Dr. Ordovas: That is such a broad question; I am not sure how to answer it."


Well, of course he can't answer it. The probability of someone screwing up and tinkering with a crop that has long term undesirable health effects because some researcher didn't realize that adding more protein by tinkering with the species of the genes in the grain, for example, set off allergies or other digestive problems in susceptable individuals. He knows that, he just can't admit it.

They always love to use "Africa" as an example of how they need to modify foods being grown, because Africa is so poor. The ability to feed Africans exists right now, it is the political landscape of the world and Africans (rotten bad luck being colonized in the past) themselves that keeps them hungry. It is not going to change by having a few large corporations controlling WHAT is grown.

I was familiar with the concept of humane genome studies, the National Geographic is doing a large one, and they have pages that explain the way they are tracing back the history of human migration and human agriculture and linking certain genes (and therefore characteristics) to certain foods.

National Geographic Genographic Project article on evolution, migration, agriculture

People adapt to what is available... if you change what is available you may either change human beings long term or destroy them by modifying their crops and then selectively targeting access to those modified crops.

I saw a news commentary on this last summer by Ron Reagan junior where he was saying he was NOT going to eat peaches with identification bar codes lasered onto them, at the time it was quite funny, but he had an excellent and sobering point...there is too much food being produced and consumed to be able to keep track of it by BAR CODING IT.

We need to be the canaries in the coal mines on this, and insist our respective governments, if and when they engage in this type of research, do it for good and not evil. I am absolutely not against research, I am against the current mindset of some who insist that anything that is not "profitable" is not worth doing, and that the free market forces will fix any mistakes made.

Ruby7, you're me! Or I am you, not sure which. I get the same thing with the pain jumping around. Lately it is neck and shoulders. But one day to the next it could be different. I wish I understood why... heck, I'd be happy if anyone understood why.

Also known as pharmanutrients, and that is copyright of course! As ever with the pharma industry it is all about money, money and money. If they can kill us with drugs then they can do it with food. Looks like we might get dietary trials, but not the one we want.

I think a lot of us get peripheral symptoms in addition to the axial symptoms -- and I expect it moves around for most of us as well. Sometimes I'll have a symptoms settle into one area for awhile (like in my right big toe) -- while symptoms jump around from here to there in other places (my right hip for a few days, then my shoulder, etc.).

BTW, this is an interesting post. I don't have time to peruse the links right now, but I'm looking forward to coming back to it.

Paula

Hey, Ted:


Well, I'm almost sure that the "burn-out" observation is real, but a strange fallacy right out of Vaudeville:

Man: "Doctor, I hurt whenever I go like that."
Doctor: "Well...don't go like that."

When we are TOTALLY fused we like totally cannot move. Instead of movement causing pain, that aspect is taken care of. But that original cause--inflammation--is also diminished. You are a person with a scientific background, so if you look at the fibrosis and calcification as reaction products, it will become more obvious as to why our AS activity is less when there are fewer available reactants. The larger joints with higher cellular turnover seemed to be the most active, until they no longer presented new cells to attack.

The guts only get worse, but the larger bones have had their day, and in the end stages, so have the smaller ones, leaving only amyloidosis, heart (and muscle), and eyes, for the AS to continue with. Above the area where there is much chyle mixing with regular lymph (about nipple height), the IgA-Kp has a harder time finding new material--just like Robin Williams or Dame Edna--who keep popping up once in a while, but are not constantly making news as they once were.

As for the rice, etc. I believe that we can get away with quite a bit if--and only if--we have first been able to heal our tract and also only if we have stayed away from drugs that dull our feedback mechanism (steroids, NSAIDs, pain killers, etc) or else we could be working our way back up to internal colonies that were so hard and took so long to be rid of in the first place.

Who knows WHAT is going on down there?! What I DO know is that both starches AND dairy seem to feed the provocative mechanism for AS. If it is really that stealth pathogen we always talk about, it is better to be safe than sorry.

We really need some 'sanity test' Bernoulli criteria for those who claim that they 'TRIED THE NSD AND IT DID NOT WORK FOR ME.' I believe that there are several people who really are in this category, but we need good guidelines so that we can be talking apples and apples instead of an occasional 'gourmet popcorn' as a treat.

Hope whatever works for you continues to work for you; we are always open to experimentation,

John