Rox, I just remembered that we had these huge hornets at the firehouse about 2 years ago. I killed them with some industrial strength insecticide. They were long, but skinny and almost completely brown. Don't know if that helps, but now that I have a picture of them in my head, I'll see if I can dig one up (a pic, not the horent ) and post it.

Ian

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