Kickas.org Forums Treatments, Drugs and Alternatives NSD and diet-related; In short ... Is it Safe ?

Hi All,

I've been on LSD for 2 months now and have definately seen an improvement in my pain levels and the amount of NSAIDs that I have to take. I still feel it is early days but I am encouraged.

However, In the 2 months I have lost over a stone in weight and I was not really overweight to start with. I am becoming positively skinny and although people are telling me I look great, I am concerned how much longer I can keep losing weight at this rate.

Is this diet safe ?, Should I be taking supplements of some kind ? I was just reading up about the kidney stone / bone loss thing and its a little worrying. Has anyone been on the LSD/NSD long term ?

Thanks in advance

David.

Hi David,

I've completed nearly 6 years on the diet and my weight has never been higher through eating and drinking too much. Lots of protein (meat, fish, dairy, eggs) which also provide energy, and lots of fruit & veg. The dairy, fruit and veg and beer provide sugars which are carbohydrates so no, my kidneys are fine and I have never had stones. Also my damaged hips keep working as well as they did pre diet so clearly my bone is not disappearing either. There are several hundred of us former patients of the London AS research clinic who have been on the diet for up to 15 years who were, and still are, being seen at the hospital and have comprehensive blood tests including for kidney and liver function. As far as I'm aware these worries you express have not been a cause for concern.



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Hi, David:

Having AS is not safe--that is being in active inflammation. And taking the NSAIDs is very unsafe, also.

The diet is probably the safest way to get out of inflammation, but having lost too much weight is not really a good thing, either.

I might try incorporating some supplements and especially the B vitamins (these are found in very small amounts in the grains we no longer eat, but the B-complex will also increase appetite), calcium, magnesium, and boron; these are the most essential for those of us with AS and on the higher protein/low starch regimen.

I have gained weight on the NSD because I eat almost a vegetarian diet that includes way too much cheese, olives, fatty salad dressings and the like and I allow myself chocolate (which might have once been placed in a starch category, but it does not seem to bother me), which I totally avoided before. Now I'm working on increasing my exercise level, since I have lost the knee fluids from the last serious episode (colitis, I think).

Best Regards and I hope that you can put back on some weight--it is essential for me to have the extra to do fasting and soon the Edgar Cayce 3 Day Apple Diets.

John

Just thought I'd chime in and comment that chocolate doesn't seem to bother me, either. Just be sure to check the ingredients of candy with chocolate, I know that Brach's Bridge mix and other products have starch in their chocolate.

Take Care.

Cody.

Hi David,

I think this diet helps to restore someone's 'natural weight'. As long as you are eating adequate amounts of protein there shouldn't be a problem.

Please note people are commenting that you look great...surely if you looked too thin or ill they wouldn't be telling you that?? Besides that, often the person losing/gaining weight is that last to know - it takes time for our own terms of reference of what is over or underweight to match what is in front of the mirror.

Maybe you should go by your BMI, as that has been identified as an accurate measure of healthy (or not) weight to height ratio?

David, there are always debates and research about diet, and there will always be conflict in research, etc. Every positive paper sparks the investment in developing a negative, and ALL research papers will advocate 'further research' - it's the 'law' in good research practice.

Some recent research has shown a link between complex carbs and arthritis. (I said HALLELUJAH to that one - hope they keep on researching and maybe it'll help the people unprepared (for whatever reason) to perform their own research to take the leap.

Thing is David, unless it's remotely possible to bottle something into expensive, profit-making meds, a lot of researchers aren't prepared to go the distance - or even get past the starting blocks.

Recent research (non - AS) :

Increased carb intake can lead to pancreatic cancer.
Prisoners fed increased amounts of fruit/veg were 40% less likely to re-offend.
Similar studies showed improvement in Schizophrenia.

A lot of research about low carb diets is based on the Atkins diet. NSD/LSD is NOT the Atkins diet.

Bilko is one of Professor Ebringer's patients (jammy git) There are a lot of patients there, going back a while, who have benefited from this diet. Don't see any negative reports there.

John is another living example of the long-term effects of this diet. He has extremely valid comments about effects of meds in his post.

Don't get thrown off-beam by some comments that may or may not be (most likely) to your version of the diet.

Take care,

Jan

Two other reports I have seen regarding high protein / low carb diets. One indicated a significant lowering of cholesterol, and in the other a doctor reported using it to treat adult onset diabetes. As a result most of his patients required less insulin and in some cases their own bodies resumed making all they needed. But as you say, we are unlikely to see much in the way of long term studies. We have to be our own guinea pigs, so at least we won't upset the ALF!

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Hi David,

Anytime you alter your diet drastically it can become worry some. The two items I concern myself with are kidney stones and cholesterol. More so the kidney stones.

I am not so sure if cholesterol will be an issue.... just what we have been told in the past.... eggs bad, bad, bad!!! I have my cholesterol checked every three months with the blood work and no issues thus far.

For the kidney stones I drink lots of water. Also take digestive enzyme supplements to better break down the proteins. Had a ultra sound a month ago and no signs of kidney or gallstones.

Believe that it helps also that I eat a lot of fresh fruit and veggies.

I have been on the NSD/LSD since Easter. Hoping to continue improving my GI tract so I can become more LSD.

Take care,

Tim

hmm,

I miss in the safety-discussion an open-minded comparison between high FAT and high Protein.

We have to go at least LSD, this means we have to get our energy from something else then starch. We have two choices since excessive sugar-consumtion is not an option:
1. high PROTEIN
2. high FAT

I want to pose the question:
what's wrong with high FAT?

High protein is maybe not lethal within a few years, but I know that it is not recommended at all if you already have kidney-problems: so high protein puts strain on the kidneys. For high FAT I do not know any contra-indications, anybody has better info on this?

The website about the optimal diet focusses more on balancing between high FAT & high Protein:
http://www.newtreatments.org/ga.php3?linkid=461

PS::I would appreciate if this thread would not catch the agressive reference-bombing from the other one.

Thank you,

Arjan

Hi Arjan,

I am not worried about fat overall, just balancing the good vs bad fats. Like you said, another source for energy.

Tim

Arjan,

Well, one reason might be that animal fat feeds an inflammatory cascade, so it you hurt, eating fat would mean you would hurt more. (See my previous message on main forum)

There was something in the news recently about research with dogs showing low calorie diets to be health.

Best regards,


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