Kickas.org Forums Ankylosing Spondylitis General Discussion #1 AS Web Support Group Calcium Citrate Study

Take time to read this study

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/780132

Suggest reading up on different studies showing that magnesium and vitamin K2 and D3 is needed to put the calcium where it is needed, in the bones. Excellent info on this is 'Your Bones' Lara Pizzorno. Always look to see who is behind any study - usually or so often find, it is writers for pharma. Pharma are not at all happy about people finding out about such efficacious treatments, well away from their bisphosphonates with their very nasty side effects. No need to go there. But, does need correct and *judicious use of supplements and vitamins - but can be assured no osteonecrosis or side effects of that nature.

One thing I didn't realize until very recently is that when you find calcium deposited in the wrong places in your body, it is most likely there because it was busy neutralizing some toxin or acid. I don't know if the body will use calcium that way despite an adequate intake of K2 and D3 or not.

Right now I am thinking that a key to getting calcium out of soft tissue and into the teeth and bones is to remove the acids from my body. I'm doing that with bentonite clay.

I also started taking pretty much calcium citrate a couple of days ago. It's rather a leap of faith. Unfortunately, I couldn't get into that study.

Hi

I am more concerned with the increase of CVD of 50 % too be honest.

Janet

thank you for that.

when i started reading that calcium supplements but not diet calcium were found to increase artery problems, I started taking less.

my thought was, and i read, that when one eats it in foods, one gets less at one time, and when one takes a supplement, one gets more at a time, so i started taking just one pill each time several times a day, more like the way i'd get it in my diet.

not being able to eat dairy was really limiting my calcium.

but now i see this study says similar things for too much calcium in diet.

i wish they could figure out a way for us to control our bone loss that didn't negatively impact our heart health (or anything else).

for awhile, there seemed to be a number of drug / supplement / hormone options; now I see the one, which comes with its own problems: brittle bones, stomach ulcers, etc.

so what are we really to do?

i've been getting the exercise as much as possible; that doesn't seem to come with any negative side effects.

and taking what I thought was a good combo of Ca/Mg/D, but who knows now.

having osteopenia, and watching the femur neck get better, but the lumbar spine get worse. the numbers improved in the worst discs, while the numbers declined in the better discs; i asked several doctors about this inconsistency and stumped several, but my rheumy, without missing a beat, showed me in the scan how I was forming bone spurs on those worst lowest L-discs. So really the spine is getting worse.

maybe a biologic to stop the inflammation will be the thing that will help?

not thrilled about the prospect of osteopenia, and yet, doesn't seem like the medical establishment has a clue how to help us with that, IMHO.

So, what really helps bone health? especially in women after menopause?
Especially in anyone with spondyloarthropathy where we're prone to bone issues and/or take steroids, which contribute to the problem?

I see that this study warns against calcium supplements and too high a calcium intake in general, even in diet, but no suggestions on what to do instead for osteopenia / osteoporosis?

Answer to all those problems Sue ? Get the book 'Your Bones' by Lara Pizzorno. And don't forget Strontium Citrate - which of course is NOT even going to get a mention by anyone in the medical profession let alone pharma as cheap as chips and the most ***effective way of strengthening those bones, together with the 'right' balance of supplements and vitamins. Check it all out with Pizzorno.

You don't need bisphosphonates and unlikely you need biologics.

thanks for the book recommendation

you are correct about the bisphosphonates; they scare me!

strontium? i know you've had great results with it, but from what my doctors say and from what i've read, i'm still on the fence about it; though maybe that book will change my mind.

as for the biologics, no, I wouldn't take for this reason, but yes, I am going to be pushing for humira next visit; it has been a very rough few months: constant flaring of neck, SI, hands.....hard to function effectively.....but that's another topic for another thread.

here, a good reminder of foods high in calcium besides dairy:

http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/foods-high-in-calcium.php

ah yes! forgot, high protein (typical american) diet bad for bone health!

another advocate to plant based diet. (watching youtube of that author of that book you posted).

also omega 3 over omega 6. fish and grass fed beef over other meats. though still she is advocating plant based diet.

also she is stating she needs 10,000 IU daily of D; interesting that's the level I've found I need to maintain my levels of D.

OK.....will get the book, see what else she has to say.

Just wish this wasn't all such a moving target......

and more reading....yes, inflammation a big part of all of this (for me, for many of us here), so anything that helps slow the inflammation is a good thing, whatever that may be for each of us.

That is my major concern Janet.

Especially if heart disease is already a big part of our family history. And our data already isn't so good in that area.

Thanks for bringing up such an important topic.

Why do you suppose the calcium is attracted to your arteries?