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Hi, pspondylitis:

REAL TRUTH?

Well, You can SAY whatever You want, but the FACTS are the diet IS proven clinically, and endorsed by the scientific community at large, albeit rejected by almost the entire medical industry because of objections such as Yours.

If a person has AS and wants to overcome the disease, they can try many things. But they actually WILL TRY many things, including the advice of physicians who do not know what to do or what to say to encourage their patients to PREVENT DAMAGE.

The NSD is hard for some and impossible for others. If it "might not work" for You that is the risk You would be up against. You can sabotage Your own results, if You prefer not sticking with such a severe regimen for life--but You will have only Yourself to contend with. In the end it is just You and either a massive raging monster or a minor nuisance--it shall be whatever You make of it. There will be no din of the discussion, and once the damage is done it is permanent and You will be stuck with that.

But it will always be YOUR choice.

You are not offering anything tangible, but only complaining about things we have all complained about, while distorting the facts about the diet. As Tim has pointed out, we each have a ROUND TRIP with this thing--we can go back to having AS symptoms whenever we want, so the specious bit about placebo effect or remission (MY "REMISSION" has lasted 14 years now) is just more whining.

There is NO INCREASED RISK of CANCER OF THE GUT from NSD.
NONE ZIP ZERO.

Why do You make such a statement? I want You to back this up with facts; provide Your sources and they must real cases, not inferential speculations.

If You do not want to do the diet, by all means PLEASE do not do it--You will only FAIL and cry it "...did not work for me," and the last thing we need is more false claims against this miserable regimen. But that will be Your own karma.

So either 'GIT 'ER DONE' or get out of the way because we have seen Your kind before, and it does nobody any good to hear the made up crap like NSD causes cancer. Yeah Okay it kills babies, too. Better not eat an Eskimo diet while preggers so Okay we get it, there were never any healthy Inuit newborns.

I hope You find peace and HEALTH, by the most suitable way for Yourself,

John

just wanting to make sure that i'm interpreting this correctly. in order to claim that NSD could potentially cause an increased risk of cancer it (quite rightly) requires facts and sources and not just speculation, but in order to prove that it doesn't, no evidence is necessary as long as you make emphatic statements in capital letters.

i think that this quote sums it up well - "While it certainly is correct to state that there is no evidence that a low-carbohydrate diet increases cancer risk, it is also correct to state that there is no evidence that a low-carbohydrate does not increase cancer risk." - http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.11...tomisedMessage=

What part of No Starch/Low Starch is low Carb?

"According to the label, when consuming 2,000 calories daily, your carbohydrates should come in at 300 grams. If your daily intake is more like 2,500 calories, then shoot for 375 grams. Both will put your carbohydrate intake at 60 percent of your calories"


http://www.lowcarbyummies.com/carbohydrate-counter-chart.htm

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2...-are-all-wrong/

I've taken the time to read your link. I respectfully request you do the same for the above.

The part where people already on NSD or LSD also start restricting fruit/sugar intake. I don't know what percentage of people this is but it seems to be fairly common. I agree with you that NSD isn't necessarily low carb if fruit/sugar intake is increased and Ebringer's original LSD doesn't have to be low carb either especially as patients were instructed to increase consumption of fruit, beans and peas.

Ebringer however still referred to his LSD as low carb - "A simple "low carbohydrate diet" was devised, the main emphasis being in advising AS patients to significantly reduce their intake of bread, potatoes, cakes and pasta"." - The Use of a Low Starch Diet in the Treatment of Patients Suffering from Ankylosing Spondylitis, Clinical rheumatology 1996.

JUST ABSOLUTE BABBLE! This could have come out of D.C. it is so ridiculous. Yeah, Thanks for the "contribution."

(caps for You, jroc)

i do not think it was ridiculous of the authors to point out that because the subject hasn't been studied, and there is no evidence on which to base a conclusion, that using an absence of evidence as evidence of absence argument can be used by both sides, and in both cases is equally absurd. the authors would find your statement "There is NO INCREASED RISK of CANCER OF THE GUT from NSD. NONE ZIP ZERO" to be somewhat puzzling considering the lack of evidence on the subject and would no doubt wonder how you were able to arrive at such a strong conclusion barring some kind of omniscient supernatural abilities.

Again where does it say to not take in Fruit? Many fruits are cold stored and then it can become an issue as for the starch content. Sugar, it is all relative to the individual, but a report recently released on 60 minutes states no more than 100 grms for adult women and 150 grams for adult men.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7403942n&tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea.10

As for bread, pasta, cake, potato,other high starch vegs and things that have added starch... lets say you have a hot poker (500 degrees hot) and you place it on your arm and it burns you....would you take that poker to your arm again, and again and again?

See I knew I had issues with these things years ago and to be quit frank I truly now believe I had a hysterectomy due to my gut issues when I was 37 yrs old ( I am now gasp...52), they just don't move through my gut the way they do for others. I have ended up in the hospital to many times to count due to gut pain and place on IV antibiotics. Oh, yes the doctors also wanted to take the lower part of my colon due to the "pain" and number of flares (I figured since my hysterectomy went so well, I'd jump all over that....not). I stopped eating things that seemed to bloat and take 5-7 days or more to pass through my system. In 1997-98 I found by eating things that included high carbs (the above mentioned: pasta, potato, cake, et el, caused me to become depressed within hours of eating as well. I was so desprate to not feel this way I stumbled on the Drs. Heller WOE. Which seem to help some but not always. Then I heard about Atkins (from my forward thinking Doctor...who I miss terribly, since she is now teaching) which starts one out on very low carbs and adds foods in increments to see what foods are at issue. By elemenating things and slowly adding back things over time, I figured out which/what caused my gut pain and able to stay out of the hospital to a 1x a yr or every 2 yr(Yippy no colostomy). Mind you I know I can have 1/2 of a very small potato maybe once a month and have little to no issues. I also know I can go to Europe and have some bread, but not here in the USA... But I also know (now) that if I have home made butternut squash soup, it will lay me on the ground for a week in pain.

Not until well over 3.5 yrs of 7-9 pain (back,buttock,shoulder,hands) did I even figure out there could be a starch connection....So...I will try to stay away from the hot poker for now.

I started listening to my body in my late 30's, I really listen to my body now. If my going through this helps just one person start listening to their body...I will feel I have kept someone from going through what I've had to go through.

Really, pspondylitis? You're going to claim that NSD/LSD causes stomach cancer? This is quite laughable in my opinion. I don't have the time nor energy to look for studies to back this up, but it's all pretty much common sense...Let's take a look at a few alternate things and tell me these haven't been proven to cause cancer or other horrible diseases:

First up on our list is...PROCESSED foods. Hmm, I think we can all agree that the vast majority of processed, pre-made foods on the SAD (Standard American Diet) is enough to cause a lot of people a lot of different types of cancers and diseases. My diet includes ZERO processed foods. Everything that goes into my mouth is processed my own damn self and is nothing but what comes straight from Mother Earth. From grapes, strawberries, pineapple, kale, spinach, a variety of lettuces, avocados, broccoli, nuts, and eggs, none has ever gone through any type of processing plant really, has never been touched by a machine except maybe slicing my free range organic meats, has never been altered in any way to zap the nutrients out of of it, etc, etc...nope don't think the SAD diet has a stronghold against cancer over MY diet.

Ok, next up on our list is: NSAIDS. Do I even need to go into explanation on this terrible, manufactured by humans, drug? I don't know if they have or haven't been proven to cause cancer, but we all know the serious side effects attributed to this nasty drug. Can you believe that even in a terrible flare which I just experienced due to eating starches, ahem, I didn't take one NSAID, stayed on a strict NSD, and used ice packs on my SI's and the pain and inflammation is almost completely gone today? My flare started on Tuesday. That's pretty incredible. Usually my flares last at least 2 weeks...and my flares are the kind where you can't even flinch in bed without extreme agony, can't get up off the toilet without my husband helping, and can barely start walking by noon. Yep this flare I had this week was a walk in the park, all due to ice packs and strict NSD.

Last but certainly not least we have Biologics. Just do your research and you'll see these awesome Immunosuppressents can actually cause....Hey! Cancer! That's probably one of the main reasons I refuse to take these and instead, wait for it: follow this terrible, crappy cancer-inducing diet. Why is there no one over in the main forum spreading the news that Biologics cause cancer?!?! Geez!

Yeah, I think I'll try a diet that 100% comes from Mother Earth and in my opinion is the way god intended for us to eat. Thanks for your insight pspondylitis, but your scares of cancer due to my eating habits don't do anything for me. I'm more worried about YOU, and any potential newbies that see your post.

Lauren S. we really need a thumbs up button on each post....because you are so right on target.

Haha, I agree. We need a "like" button like on Facebook!