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Now add in Vit-K2. "In order for calcium to bind to the bone matrix, the protein called osteocalcin is needed. Without adequate Vit-K, osteocalcin is unable to transport calcium from the blood and connect it to the bones." Dr Alan Tillotson www.OneEarthHerbs.com Vitamin K - The Misunderstood Vitamin

Vit-D; Vit-K2; Manganese; Calcium. Now add in the Strontium Citrate and, osteoporosis should be banished - with no side effects. Seems like a no brainer !

These things are confusing for me, because in my own hunt for answers I have found that Vitamin D3 is what we need, not Vitamin D. D3 is made by your own body, from exposure to sunlight. So how can they sell supplements?

Vitamin K2 is made by your body as well, from consuming fermented products such as kraut, yogurt, curd cheese, etc. Which I have found tons of info on and encouragement to start eating these foods. So again, how can they sell a supplement?

Manganese I haven't studied a lot yet, but it seems very industrial and quite scary to be honest. So, logic tells me that the beneficial kind must also be made by our own bodies, but how? I intend to keep Googling to find out. Can't say I'm interested in a supplement.

Calcium of course can be eaten a number of ways, but it's proper use by our bodies is entirely dependent on the previous three. So I'm going to have to annoy an awful lot of people here, and just say it:

It begins, and can end at the table.
Please help me learn how to make these foods a part of my daily life.

Doesn't annoy me, at all. Yes, good nourishment begins at the table - except not too many people follow that route. Yes, D3 via sunlight, except if one is unable to cope with much sun - as in my own case. Now have keratitus on face and arms and scalp from sun, and no, never sun bathed as too dangerous for a red head. Also, strong sunlight not good for eyes. In additioin, in northern climes we don't get that much of sunlight. So, for me, it is supplement. Liquid, once per month.

B12 is another one that is good to take - as per the research article. Yes, one can get in foods, but will need rather a lot of the right kind of foods and if one has vile gut probs, then...

Calcium. Can make your own from washed, dried egg shells, bake in a very slow oven. Remove, crush, cover with fresh lemon juice. Store overnight in fridge. Drink the liquid. Posted an article on egg shells and lemon juice here on KA over a year ago.

K2 - lot of info out there on K2. Think this Mercola coverage is excellent - yes, he does sell supplements and herbels. But is still sound in his approach (IMO). Natto is a good source of K2 but, IF can't take Natto (smelly, slimey stuff) or if can't stand raw milk fermented cheeses - plse note, K2 only found in 'fermented' - then 'can' supplement :-

http://products.mercola.com/vitamin-k/
(snip...) "There are additional conditions that could increase your risk of deficiency in this essential vitamin…

* Eating a poor or restricted diet
* Having certain conditions like Crohn’s, ulcerative colitis, celiac, and others that interfere with nutrient absorption
* Dealing with a liver condition that interferes with vitamin storage
* Taking certain medications such as broad-spectrum antibiotics, cholesterol drugs, and potentially aspirin that may impact or block vitamin absorption
* Eating foods containing the wrong type of this vitamin with poor bioavailability" (more...)

Manganese. this should keep you going 'smile' -

Minerals ~ Manganese
www.springboard4health.com/notebook/min_manganese.html - Similarto Minerals ~ Manganese
The adult human body contains about 10 to 20 milligrams of manganese. Most of this is concentrated in the pancreas, bone, liver, and kidneys. Manganese acts ...
Method of Action - Consequences of Deficiency - Deficiency Symptoms
Manganese (Mn) - Chemical properties, Health and Environmental ...

www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/mn.htm - Similarto Manganese (Mn) - Chemical properties, Health and Environmental ...
After absorption in the human body manganese will be transported through the blood to the liver, the kidneys, the pancreas and the endocrine glands. ...
Health Benefits of Manganese

www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/minerals/health-benefits-o... - Similarto Health Benefits of Manganese
27 Dec 2011 ... It acts as a coenzyme to assist metabolic progression in the human body. Apart from these, there are other health benefits of manganese ...

WHFoods: manganese
www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=77 - Similarto WHFoods: manganese
Manganese is found widely in nature, but occurs only in trace amounts in human tissues. The human body contains a total of 15-20 milligrams of manganese, ...

Manganese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manganese - Similarto Manganese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The human body contains about 12 mg of manganese, which is stored mainly in the bones; in the tissue, it is mostly concentrated in the liver and kidneys. In the ...

Manganese
www.eco-usa.net/toxics/chemicals/manganese.shtml - Similarto Manganese
Because manganese is a regular part of the human body, the body normally controls the amount that is taken up and kept. For example, if large amounts are ...
The Clinical Effects of Manganese (Mn)

www.tldp.com/issue/180/Clinical%20Effects%20of%20Mn.html - Similarto The Clinical Effects of Manganese (Mn)
The human body contains approximately ten milligrams of manganese, most of which is found in the liver, bones, and kidneys. This trace element is a cofactor ...

As for your question : 'How can they sell supplements?' Easily. Many persons are unable to eat certain foods (I can't any longer, not after the NSAIDs wiped my gut to shreds then add in the FAP problems etc) so, I for one supplement. Have to.

In order to check that one is taking up sufficient of this and that, can always get a full blood profile done to include the vits factors. See IF one does need supplements, and if so, then can address the matter. If not, then stay on course.

Thanks for yr input. Good discussion. And yes, yog is excellent for health. Most beneficial and the natto products. Best foods out. (But am still low in the vit-D). But, if one is going to supplement, then would strongly suggest consulting with a professional in that area - a herbalist for instance. Or, Mercola himself. Sure, people do have an agenda, but they gotta live as well, and, at least someone like Mercola is not doing any harm - in fact is a good source of excellent and well researched information. Can fast track to him and take advantage of his knowledge (let the train take the strain as t'were!)

Take care -

I've always liked Mercola, and not at all questioning the morality of selling a supplement. I realize there are many people who cannot get what they need via food, and must supplement. I take some myself. I just don't understand how they get D3 or K2 in a bottle if they're only synthesized by the body. That just doesn't make sense to me. It more a science question than one of 'how dare they'! I am still very new to much of this. Very quick learner, though.

It's VERY good to know that the body regulates manganese, and throws out what it doesn't need. But that makes me wonder why we all don't have enough anyway. I will ask for the labs when I go back to the rheumy, but I don't know if she will do them or what she has already run.

I really like her, but have always been a bit offed that she doesn't take time to discuss what tests she's ordering, show me the results, or explain their meaning. I haven't even seen my own x-rays. My old chiro ALWAYS showed me my x-rays. When I broke my ankle I saw EVERY x-ray for over a year. I was surprised when the third set came back with a difference and she didn't put them up to show me. But she is the only rheumy available to me in my area, so I haven't challenged her much. Maybe I need to. I have stood up to her on the no meds thing, but she's convinced I will have my mind changed by May. Maybe she's going to fire me... Or maybe she thinks patients are too stupid to grasp it. She's definitely overwhelmed with patents. Who knows? You'd think she would be an advocate of diet with her patient load.

Will DEFINITELY try the eggshell thing, thanks! I am forever just tossing them, and love a way to re-purpose anything! I also don't do well in sunlight, my eyes are very sensitive. I've been taking D until I read about the D3, and then all my questions came tumbling after.

The fermented foods are something I have never had a taste for, and I find it very hard learning to cook again already. So I'm testing recipes I know should taste good and they don't always turn out right, yet. Fermenting my foods is something completely alien to me. How do I make kraut and how should it taste? I need to find a good sane blog about it. Maybe even try some prepared stuff just to get a ballpark idea of what I'm aiming for. Most of the yogurt I've looked at since going NSD has stuff added and I cannot have it. Makes me sad.

Aside from yogurt, my only knowledge of fermented food is seeing on a show years ago, people eating rotten meat. High Meat they called it. Green! *shudders* Wife Swap or something. Freaked me right out. Never watched it again! LOL

You are the one who does bone broths and such, right? These are the things I want to learn! I wills search out the forums for your recipes. Do you blog them?

Yes, very good discussion, and thanks! You have a lot to teach me!

Learn how to make homemade yogurt! It is surprising easy if you have the right gadgets. Try some searches through old posts; I'll try to dig some out if they don't turn up for you.

Make own from raw cows milk - if can getta hold of. Otherwise Stoneyfields is the recommended yogurt to purchase in the USA and Canada. Can also get yog made from sheeps milk and from goats milk. Very good indeed. No, the goats milk yog does not taste 'goatey'!

No. I don't blog... Might take it up though <LOL>

Need to ask yr rheumy for results of tests - she might think you are disinterested? Or, she just does not have the time frame for discussions and is taking an easy option by not doing so/not even attempting to do so. But think she needs to know that you are concerned and that you do have a rightful 'need to know'.

Take care -

Thanks I will certainly look for the Stoneyfield until I've learned to make my own.
I will definitely search through those old posts!! Thanks!

As for my rheumy, I just Googled some reviews on her, and they aren't very good. To me she seems very sweet, just busy. Others have rated her as cold and uninterested. There are consistent reviews that she diagnoses most things as fibro. What concerns me though is what I have experienced. She pushes Rx for everything, gives no credibility to anything natural, and spends very little time with the patient.

Who knows, maybe I am the patient to come along and inspire her, but I won't hold my breath. If she shares more with me, that's awesome. If she fires me, well I'm in no different spot than I was last year. No. A better spot actually, because I feel I have a chance now, with NSD and KickAS.

Have either of you used these yogurt makers ? I was looking at recipes and this was a link in one of them. Rather inexpensive... Wondered if they're worth the cost / bother. I already have a small appliance boneyard that I don't want to add to!

Yes this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Tribest-YL-210-Yol...6879&sr=8-8

It is awesome, because I can make up to 3 quarts at a time using 3 jars under the big lid. The maker didn't come with the big size jars, but you can re-use jars from elsewhere as long as they're a good shape. Just throw them in the dishwasher with hot water cycle, if you've got a dishwasher.