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Was wondering how many people here have had problems with the sugar in fruit. I've been hard core NSD for many years now with limited success. Antibiotics have helped. Have never been able to give up fruit due to being a vegan. Just wondering if giving up fruit is worth a try to get extra benefit with the Antibiotics.

I spoke to another guy here in Australia who has AS & he just eats meat & Vegetables & nothing else (No fruit, nuts, dairy) & has no more AS symptoms INTERESTING!!!

Marcus

Eat very little fruit Marcus as seems to upset my gut somewhat, especialy dried fruit...can't toerate dried fruit.

Don't eat much by way of veggies either, as same reaction as for fruit! Sigh.

So, meat and fish basically. NOT red meat though. Which cuts down choices (nothing like the variety available in the UK)
as the meat in Fr. is highly factory farmed and fed antibiotics. Sigh.

Loath 'sweet' very rarely touch anything sweet, incl chocolate (dislike chocolate). As for nuts? no thanks, as another one that I find diff to tolerate gut wise.

Very little dairy. Milk in coffee and eat yogurt, plain unadulterated with excipients yogurt!

Not real LSD, but sort of...'smile'. One way and another I basically do good really - but the diet does get darn boring!

Hi Marcus, may i ask what types of fruits are you eating? I eat tonnes of fruit without any problems - but i only eat berries, grapes, lychees, paw paw & pomegranates, . bananas and melons are out for me. As far as nuts go the only ones i really eat are almonds and walnuts. i dont go near peanuts, cashews or stuff like these. i do eat heaps of seafoods, chicken, salads, veggies and about once a fortnight a little red meat. Cows milk gives me diarrhea, as does milk chocolate. i can tolerate goats milk fine.

Hi Marcus,

I was on strict NSD for over 3 years, but ate a lot of fruit, mainly berries (blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, blackberries) pineapple, stone fruits, pears (NOT apples). Also had 1 lemon (also sugary) per day to emulsify oils.
I thought I was doing OK but SpA continued to attack peripheral joints. Since removing fruit from diet I've noticed a further improvement. Now only eat animal protein (with the fat) and fish and small quatities of green leafy vegetables. This is a really tough diet though, and I doubt it would be possible to be a vegan at the same time as removing all fruit.

Maybe you should become a meat-eater for a month long trial and see how you go.

Best of luck - David.

I draw the line at removing red meat from my diet and wonder whether this notion that red meat is inflammatory is - how shall I put it - unfounded!

Still, I'm ready to cope it sweet, if someone can come up with something more than just heresay.

I eat a stack of red meat and honestly can't say that I've ever felt it is causing a problem.

Hi David,

That's interesting that since you removed fruit you got further improvement. Yeh i've just gone back to eating chicken & fish. I'm going to try no fruit & see how i go! I'll be eating just Meat & Veg. Yeh won't be easy. Fruit is so addictive! Are nuts a problem for yoiu too!

doesnt cause me any AS problems either, i just feel a bit sorry for all the cows and sheep waiting to get their head chopped off every time i drive past the abattoir.

David, for me red meat is inflamatory for my colon. i've made a 2 weeks test a 4 months ago eating only read meat besides vegs. My colon started to hurt them my AS followed. The following month was one of my worse periods. Switched to poultru&fish, things got better with time.

I seccond your oppinion on fruits. I've dropped them 2 months ago, things improved constantly.

About nuts - the only thing i am having once in a while are almonds (they are labeled with 5 % starch, lowest starch content on any nuts i can find on the market) or almond flour pie filled with apples - if i get too much my bowel movements increase from 1 a day to 2-3 per day. Sometimes i react from them in my SI or my lower ribcage.

So it seems that we react differently, depending on our colon condition&history.


@molly.
dried fruits contains sulfits wich seem to lower the production of butyric acid and since you have UC you should know that a low butyric acid level in your colon is pro-inflamatory.
It seems that same things happends with almonds - high on sulfur - but i just can't help myself sometimes.
from the veggies stuff i mostly have carrots, pimientos, tomatoes (max 2/day) and some red beetroot. I combine them with poultry, fish, some red meat (once or twice per week) and dry cottard cheese wich i usualy mix with honey.

Hi Marcus and Jet,

When I first started LSD I could tolerate nuts and dried fruits. But with time I became less and less tolerant. Eventually had to remove all dried fruits - especially sultanas, raisins and dates - all very sugary - and all nuts. Gradual loss of tolerance seems to happen to a lot of people.
Even yogurt is a problem for me - I imagine lactobacillus loves to grow in yogurt because it loves - lactose!

I've only been fruit restricted for a couple of months now, find that occasionally I buy some berries and eat them over a couple of days - joints feel worse then but figure it's worth it for a short period of ecstasy.

And you're right Jet - I try not to think of those poor lambs and calves - but they sure do taste good!

I saw a theory on tele the other day that when man discovered fire and it's application to cooking meat - the taste was SO-GOOD that he could'nt go back to raw meat. Also there is more available energy from cooked meat and this might have freed up enough energy to allow expansion of the brain - leading to vocalization - language - etc - eventually to civilization.

Also some researches are trying to perfect 'meat' grown in tissue culture - don't know how I'd feel about that!

Hi Marcus,

I haven't had the mental stamina to drop fruit yet, as I am weak willed and if I can't have a little sweet treat in the form of pineapple, berries etc, I *know* I will hit the carbs!

But I can think of a few here who have had dramatic improvements with dropping the fruits - Keith and Donette are 2 folks who immediately spring to mind.

I have to say though that when I *really* tighten my diet (and lose variety ) I am definitely better! I think it's the "fringe" foods that can tip the balance - I have no doubt that my life-long love of baking has helped me to have variety at the expense of pain...

I was pretty much a vegetarian who ate a little meat when I fed it to my kids before I found the Miracle of the NSD, so I have found it hard to consume so much meat these days! Thank goodness for the number of veges out there, as my salads are always different.

I eat a lot of raw veges and jazz them up with tuna, cheese and eggs as well as oil and vinegar, herbs etc. I use highly flavoured ingredients like sliced olives, home-made semi-dried tomatoes, basil oil etc and sliced almonds or macadamias to add crunch. I make dips with yoghurt, tahini, herbs, tuna etc and spread them on cos lettuce leaves.

I miss lentils and chick peas (yum!) and the possibilities they provided.

If you can philosophically deal with eating eggs, cheese etc, maybe a little fish then perhaps you can spare the more sentient beings like the cows and sheep?!?

Good luck - it's hard whichever way you try and do it! The constant compromise between lessening pain and enjoying food as a social pleasure is one I battle with.

(Whilst I am writing this, I have my teens overseeing the baking of a batch of ginger Anzacs and dairy-free yo-yos - the smell is driving me crazy, but none shall pass these lips... )

Some days I can manage to be in the kitchen and cook stuff like this for them, other days I can deal with encouraging them to cook delicious forbidden foods themselves and in moments of weakness/tiredness/pain I know it's easier to just avoid the subject!