Kickas.org Forums Ankylosing Spondylitis General Discussion #1 AS Web Support Group A new discovery ...

...well for me, anyway !

Wine helps us (specifically white Chardonnay and red Pinot Noir) !! Happy days.

Lying here recuperating from knee operation has allowed me to trawl the interweb to find evidence to support my debauched lifestyle :-) (if you look hard
enough you can find anything!)

I am a proponent of the low starch diet (And the theory that it is the klebseilla bacteria that causes our pain and inflammation - klebsiella feeds off starch). My main success with pain reduction has been the low starch diet COMBINED with exercise, my theory being that the exercise burns any remaining starchy carbohydrate in the gut and hence nothing for klebsiella to feed off. Clearly exercise also helps with flexibility to.

So anything that kills klebsiella bacteria is GOOD. Here is the evidence
http://newsarchive.asm.org/sep02/topic5.asp

Now with repaired knee, it is low-starch diet, exercise, and some cheeky Pinot Noir, I am off for a year to experiment and will report back my findings.

Cheers, Finchie

Finchie

Crazy question I know, but how much LOL

I am a teatotal and have been for almost 20 years. I actually gave up drinking because I could not be doing with the hangovers on top of this illness

To cut a long story short, since wine is femented it is my own belief that one small glass aday might be good for me, but would this be too prudent

for personal reasons I am not sure I could tolerate any more than this because more might make me loose my ketosis (this is just a personal thing, nothing to do with the LSD)

Other than that I was wondering if it might be worth drinking more following a fast. Immediately when the fast ends so my stomach is empty, but again since I am not used to drinking this thinking I could easily end up out of my head doing this

My mom is a havy drinker, never gets ill, my dad is teatotal, has Parkinsons. It is scientifically shown that almost always Parkinson's folk are teatotalllers before they get the condition

I really do not like the taste of alcohol, nor the hangover (like my dad in almost every way LOL) Crazy situation. I never thought I would see the day when I would be asking folk how best to drink wine to help myself, but there you go

Love Joanne

PS somebody has just offered me a home making wine kit and I am going to pick it up today. No idea how long it will be before I see wine from this but I am keep to see exactly what is going in it. Happy to buy some if you really think it will help XXX

I wonder if white wine vinegar would have the same effect? I had been eating it on salads and need to buy some more.

I dont know about drinking the wine, but I do know that white wine vinegar is excellent for charlie horses & other muscle cramps. Whenever I have a severe spasm a tablespoon or two and the spasm releases pretty quickly. It does the same for my dad who has the same kind of muscle spasms. Strange but true!

I do have some blackberry merlot at home... think that'll work from wine standpoint? Otherwise I really dont like wine...

YES! I love hearing this.

I'm not a big wine drinker, but I could be if it would help. =)

Ha ! I'm not sure how much works. I'm too much of a binge drinker, much at the weekend, little during the week. Might just try and spread out (a glass a day !). I need to get it out of my head that once a bottle is open, it needs to be finished !!

Also, interested to read that ebringer did not count drink in the low starch diet - so I interpret that as beer as ok too - it just gets better !!

Research so far...
Saturday night, a bottle of the little known Chiltern Valley red (yes English !) worked well.
Sunday night, a bottle and a half of merlot also did the trick.
Resting Mon and Tue !!

Cheers! Finchie

I know this is one reason why wine can be helpful. Right now I make my own yogurt, sauerkraut. Also fermentation removes a lot of the carbohydrate, hense yogurt contains less lactose than milk and wine contains far less fructose than grape juice, but often the calories are not reduced so if you are ever counting calories that might need to be taken into account. Also, and we all know this, alcohol is addictive so anybody that knows they have a problem with it, well need I say more.

But, honestly the more I read about the wine the more I am thinking it might be a good thing for me. I am going to make my own though, partly because I want to know what is in it and partly because I am a skint flint LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5qIcwVskkg

Love Joanne

Does cider do the same thing? My tipple at the moment for pain relieving purposes is a can of blackthorn (2.4 units) on top of my 75 mg slow release diclofenac. Works a treat for getting my body relaxed enough that I can get to sleep.

Interesting though the bug killing effects of wine. I also have kept getting told that I needed PPIs to cut down acid production in my stomach, but then realised that my gut was worse like that. I then swung the other direction and started having lemon juice and ginger drink (equivalent of half a lemon and a slice of fresh ginger or 1/4 teaspoon of crushed, in a mug of hot water) first thing in the morning and that made things a lot better. I was never sure if it was the acid I needed, or the bug killing effect of the ginger.

The alcohol bit started after I realised that having the occasional drink really did help as a muscle relaxant, so I now have a drink most nights. I've not ever been one for drinking much more than that so have no worries about leaving a bottle before it is empty.

Hi celticsoul

I have never used white wine vinegar, but I have used cider vinegar, and this has helped me with the pain

I am going to have a look at this white wine vinegar, like you are saying could be as effective as the wine and because it is alcohol free i may be able to have more of it

Thanks ever so much

Joanne