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It takes a while to transition to a fat and metabolised protein burning diet from a carbohydrate based diet.
The temptation is to eat a lot of fruit for the quick carbohydrate boosts but if you eat great quantities of fruit, which is high in fructose, unbalanced by the other needed things it will muck up your liver temporarily. Too much fructose can mean less phosphorus in your system. Less phosphorus can dramatically affect cell function and energy:
Read here:
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/phosphorus/

Grapes are sort of notorious also for quickly spiking the blood sugar but if you don't have a slower burning backup fuel in the pipeline, such as proteins and fats .... look out


Also looking at your sample menu from yesterday there is a lot of dairy, which is high in calcium, but there may not be much magnesium or phosphorus in those first two meals. See above link again.

If you are or were a vegetarian at any time you learn you must combine different groups of proteins to get enough amino acids. So I'm looking at the fruit and cheese breakfast and snack and asking... where's the other protein content of egg, nut, or meat?

By the time you got to dinner you had only had "bacon" as a meat item. Now, bacon is very tasty but not real useful in the nutrition department. It's good in that it provides fat if one needs fat. But otherwise, it's not going to do much for you other than to provide flavor interest for the mayonaise.

After the bacon lunch here came a fruit snack again.

Now, at dinner, we have the carrots, which are tasty but once again pretty high in natural sugars, and at last a green vegetable shows up in the form of broccoli. Hopefully it was a generous serving of brocolli and not one of those weeny 1/2 cups. Then a coconut muffin for the fat but there's more fruit in it.

Now we get to the fruit and dairy snack again, with honey, which is even more fructose. Good Grief, this is a lot of fruit and dairy. Fat? What Fat? Protein balancer?

Now we jump to the next morning, and there is even more fruit and dairy again, at least this time mercifully there was some chicken involved.

You are so going to crash and burn bad if you don't start getting some more protein and fat and vegetables into this diet. You're repeatedly spiking your blood sugars and then they must be crashing over and over again. Also, if you take in a lot of calcium, and not enough magnesium, you can end up with a calcium/magnesium imbalance, the side effect of which is to cause you to crave more sugars and sweet things such as fruits.

Somewhere at breakfast and or at lunch we need to see some sort of complex protein action, either meat or always eat nuts with the cheese. More fat. More vegetables for the protein and to slow down the digestion of the other things.

Hi Karen,
I'm about a month into NSD, and not so long ago, I was just about ready to chew the paint off the walls I felt so hungry. I'm slowly learning to eat sugar when I'm craving it, and eat fat when I'm craving it. I'm hypoglycemic too, and it was kinda rough at first, but a little dark chocolate is ok, and I also found that a spoonful of maple butter can help with sugar cravings.
Just keep eating, all the time (I know that's a pain, but I've had to do that to keep my blood sugars up, and strangely enough, I'm not gaining weight at all. Losing, actually!).
Also, like others mentioned, try to get more protein.
I think my biggest lifesaver of all on my NSD quest, has been Kiwi's coconut choc chip cookies, and coconut flour pancakes. They are SO filling. I also found chocolate coconut macaroons that test starch free. Some mornings I mix fruit and applesauce, and maybe a tiny bit of yogurt, but I add psyllium husk or ground flax seed to the mix - the fibre makes it much more filling.
Good luck with it!

Karen, I'm fortunate in that I love my bacon and eggs and tomato juice for breakfast. A great calorie laden and and highly antiinflammatory lunch is salmon salad. I buy costco's kirkland brand canned salmon in 6 oz tins and mix with mayo, dill pickle and onion. I was convinced I had hypoglycemia prior to NSD as I would eat my "healthy" cereal in the am and before lunch was always ravenous and shakey. This stopped being a problem when I initiated NSD and lots more protein into my diet...
Good luck!
LindaG

Okay, I think I'll try the 3 day apple diet the next time I get 3 days off of work. That way, if I feel too bad I can take it easy.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I saw a lot of variation in peoples' ideas. I suppose everyone need to figure out what works for them, but I have some ideas to work with now.

There were probably several factors which led to me fainting last night:
1) The day before yesterday, I ate very little. For reasons which are too complicated to explain, I forgot to take my Wellbutrin for at least 2 days prior, possibly more. Because of that, I began to have withdrawal symptoms two days ago which included really nasty stomach pain (this is normal for antidepressant withdrawal) and I wasn't able to eat very much. (By the way, I had some intermittent IBS from about 1988-1997, but have had no problems in the last ten years.) So I went into yesterday low on food from not being able to eat the previous day.
2) I definitely ate less protein and veggies yesterday than I have on other days. I wouldn't ordinarily count on bacon as a meat for lunch. I rarely eat the stuff, but make an exception for late summer because I LOVE BLTs.
3) It's That Time of the Month.
4) I've always been prone to drops in my blood pressure when I stand up.

So I think I'll go have a hamburger before bed tonight. I really don't want to faint again.

Thanks again to all for the suggestions. I appreciate the help and support I get at this site.

Karen

hey Karen------I'm an NSDer as well, and I definately agree that more protein, healthy fats, and veggies are needed. But as you stated your list wasn't what you would usually eat.

Also, if I get up too quickly from bed, I will get very lightheaded as well. Try to get up from bed a little slower if you're feeling faint. I usually get into a sitting position and hold that for a second and then stand up. Works pretty good! You probably already know that I just thought I'd get my 2 cents in!

Oh yeah, eat lots of smaller meals, at least 5-6.

Cheers,
Rita

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