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I read somewhere that the Klebsiella Pneumoniae bacteria causes Ankylosing Spondylitis.
I remembered very clearly that I had frequent indigestion problems during a period in my teenage years (about 13 - 14) due to over eating and lack of exercise. This may have caused the bacteria to build up in my bowel, thereby contributed to AS.
Anyone has any views on this?

Hi and welcome!

You'll find a lot of info about Kleb and AS Here

Welcome to KA!

*laugh* Oh yeah, you'll see that people here DEFINITELY have some views on that! Have fun reading all the info!

Brad

Hi. Pete's link is taking you to the No Starch Diet forum -- but also check out the Diet Center on the Home page where you will find the premise for the diet -- that it is Klebsiella that causes AS, that Kleb feeds on starches, and that the No Starch Diet is one way to naturally combat the disease. My summary is brief and general -- you'll find much more specific info about why, how, etc. in the Diet Center.

Paula

Brad:

You should stop using Dan Rather's fact checkers:

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"I have opinions of my own--strong opinions--but I don't always agree with them." -George W. Bush, U.S. President

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Here's another quote for YOU: "You're fired!" I think Donald Trump said that. As an editor, you have failed.

"You can fool some of the people some of the time..." I think Abraham Lincoln said that.

"Most people never get a clue, but at least I always have a hunch." I think I said that.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." YEAH, I know who said that: And it was NOT George W. Bush! Perhaps your attribution was a mistake (there is a considerable amount of misinformation on the internet; too bad the net does not make us smart enough to discern what is correct versus the garbage), at any rate it has been a feeble and failed attempt to discredit someone. The art of mudslinging requires better backsplatter protection...and no matter how much dirt you throw on someone else, you will never actually look cleaner than them; especially after you are caught in the act.

Good Day, Fellow Traveller,
John

John, I'll say this as politely as I can--what the hell are you talking about?

If the quote is wrong, fine, I'll take it down, but I'd prefer some proof over taking your word on it. Can't say I even remember where I got it, to tell you the truth, not that that really matters. And, let's say it really is wrong--how many minutes do you think it would take me to find a Bush quote that is even more embarrassing than this one? Like or dislike his politics, you can't exactly say that W is a polished public speaker.

Above and beyond that, however, clearly you felt the need to try to humiliate me in public instead of just sending me a PM saying that you felt the quote was incorrectly attributed to Bush and that perhaps I should check it out because there is a good chance it was wrong. That would have been the polite thing to do, and I would have immediately checked it out and pulled it down if you were right. Instead, this...

I truly thought all this petty BS was behind us John, but I see that because I apparently pushed your political hot button that I was wrong about that. No real sense of humor there, eh? That's odd--Republicans sure did have a slew of jokes about "Slick Willie" and his wife,

I have bent over backwards to be complimentary to you and to provide good info about the NSD for the last year or more, and yet you choose to get up in my face over my damn signature quote? Whatever. And even better--question my intelligence because I posted a funny quote from W that you don't approve of? Classy.

Like I said, show me the proof that this is incorrectly attributed and I'll gladly pull it down and post a retraction regarding the quote. Gladly! Until then, it stays in place.

As for this last nugget from your post:

"The art of mudslinging requires better backsplatter protection...and no matter how much dirt you throw on someone else, you will never actually look cleaner than them; especially after you are caught in the act."

I'm sorry--did you seriously just chastise me about how the mudslinger always comes out on the dirty end of things in the very post you were, uh, slinging mud at me? Now THAT'S funny. Not to mention hypocritical.

Now, if I've read this wrong and you were just attempting to make light of the situation and I've just read too much into it after a long day, then I apologize in advance right now and I'll apologize again later. But I don't think that's the case. After that, how about you just ignore my posts and I'll do the same with yours, just like the good old days?

Don't worry Holly and the other mods--this will be my only post on this and my only even slightly political post. I felt that, in the grand tradition of American politics, however, that I deserved "equal time" when my name is impugned.

Brad

Out of curiosity I had to go have a bit of a look around myself on this... and yes... I know that the internet isn't 100% correct and unfortunately it's hard to work out the correct versus the garbage but from what I saw... it was either George W. Bush or his father George Bush... many places had it quoted as George W. but I couldn't find anyone else having said it except either George or George W... to me... in my own opinion... it's a George Bush and that's close enough for me... If it was someone else... please do enlighten us...

Sodium Chloride is close enough to Sodium Cyanide; it's a Sodium eh what ?

Interesting response... I agree... but which George is doing the poisoning...?

Hi, Brad:

The apparent irony is not lost on me:

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I'm sorry--did you seriously just chastise me about how the mudslinger always comes out on the dirty end of things in the very post you were, uh, slinging mud at me? Now THAT'S funny. Not to mention hypocritical.

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But I should be expert at mudslinging by now!

For some reason, you chose that particular quote. You are propagating a lie, and since this lie has been on the internet for quite some time, I do believe that you made a mistake, but that does not change your original intent.

I hope that you understand that this (your intent) is no more ridiculous than something one of my very best friends would--and has--come up with! My best friends are mostly socialist atheists or at least teleological existential agnostics. I have taken, at various times, each of them to task, in much stronger tones and quite publicly, for making similar statements (and have received merited reciprocity)...and in this case would do so with special forcefulness because it has proven to be yet another internet chimera (and these are technical people who should know better).

And although it might just be adding another insult to apologize to you, certainly my tone was a bit more harsh than I really intended, upon review, and I did come across more unfriendly than I wanted to. Sorry.

This quote is a 'rather' sore point with several of us, in actual fact. In the first place, it was (then ex-) President H. W. Bush who allegedly said this on 18 December, 2000. There is still some debate about the object of 'them'. It was explained to me as follows: 1) The Sr. Bush said exactly that and 2) He was both speaking to and answering questions from several reporters at the same time. What is unclear is whether 'them' in this quote refers to AIPAC (Israel political action committee) or The RNC; apparently it does not refer to (Bush's own) 'opinions.' It certainly is, at minimum, an odd non-sequitur. I was not there.

The reason that you did not receive a PM from me is that kickAS changed the edit rules, and you could not have eliminated the offensive line. I think it would be a shame if others made the same misattribution, so it is important to have this discussion openly.

I don't think you could be embarrassed merely by getting it wrong and having that pointed out to you--certainly, if you were not embarrassed by associating yourself with the original quote, nothing else should shame you at all! That is your own choice, and you are certainly welcome to quote away at will, even if it is politically biased. I would not have bothered you about it, had the quote been the genuine article.

Sincere good wishes for your health,
John