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A Dentist could fix that, but no Doctor can fix ya after your fused and peering at peoples feet forever or laying in a bed with wannadieitist.
It's your life and how you get to live it is up to you. We have no crystal ball so we can only learn from seeing what happened to others before us.
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Sweet teeth may be telling you that you could benefit from a calcium and magnesium supplement, because low blood calcium levels cause sugar cravings.
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But fruits and veggies break down to sugar - right ? So this is a thing that puzzles me about this. Sugar is quick, fruits and veggies break down slower and starch breaks down slower still. So how come the food group in the middle is ok ? I don't understand this bit. Welcome Stacey  Maggie
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Hi, David:
Generally very good tips, but--
Singapore noodles (chow fun; a thin flat noodle) are still very starchy, but are GF and may be safe for some with PsA/celiac-sprue, I believe. It is made from rice flour, so most of us should avoid them--experimentation is important, but I sure would not eat them during a flare. I'm glad you have had good results, and hope you continue to have this choice.
Dates are great, they are harvested not too far from us. The ice cream is deadly delicious!
Glad that your son is now also starch-aware, due to his great results so far [fingers crossed].
Health,
John
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Hi Stacey, Welcome  I always believe that NSD is much better than LSD but sometimes is very hard to strict on NSD. As others says here, we all react differently to food so you have to experimenting yourself, some may can allow some amount of starch and some might have to very strict on it. As about sugar, I don't have problem at all, but I don't take it too much on the other hand, only for my coffee in the morning. For start, I always suggesting to try strict NSD  . Good luck, Sinta 
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Put simply (maybe) "sugar" as sucrose produces a surge of glucose in the blood. Our body increases insulin reaction dramatically, stresses our pancreas and whole system to remove it into storage. Simpler sugars like fructose in fruits can do the same thing. These small sugars go straight through the stomach and GIT lining so are available very quickly. Too much of the too quick is too bad.  Starches take too long for our bodies to digest and therefore are available in bulk to feed the "bad" bugs (Kp and other coliforms). Of course we use some of it, but better for us to use all of our food and not have excess hanging around breeding opportunists...  Everything else is either cellulose (or other indigestibles) or protein or polysaccharides or fats or other carbon structures with minerals etc. - broken down to glucose (eventually) and minerals by a huge assortment of bile and enzymes and complex processes (mainly as it passes down the small intestine) - small enough to be absorbed through the GIT. This middle bit is the real digestive process and where we want to concentrate the action so we select our foods for that benefit. To do that we want food flowing through at a steady rate releasing nutrients steadily through the tract wall and ensuring that bug colonies are not advantaged - except maybe the benign ones that occupy space and keep out the bad ones. If food goes too slowly, has no enzymes available to digest it or "sticks" to the walls too much it will feed opportunistic bugs - 38°C with moisture and nutrients is bacteria heaven. These and other processes (regarding water and salts - minerals) occur in the larger intestine too. Obviously many omissions and short-cuts, but this is the basis for everyone not just for AS. Ted  NSAIDs = biochemical warfare where our tactical decisions are hostile to our strategic interests.
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Right - okay - this is how I understood it allready but when we load up on fruits and veg we are eating things that will break down fast and enter the bloodstream - potentially causing insulin problems etc
The starch takes too long - right ?
What is the ideal food then ?
My understanding is that protein and fats digest slowly also. and it is hard on the kidneys to consume too much protein. We secreet the excess protein and also other nutrients with it.
I AM doing this diet anyway 'cause I need to try anything I can now but I really don't understand the logic when the time of digestion is used as the basis.
My eating over the last few days has become very interesting. ( and expensive )
Speaking of sugars - diabetics can't follow this diet can they ?
Thanks Ted. - (keep keeping it simple please.)
Maggie
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I will check that out, thanks. I actually feel my face tingle when I eat chocolate. I have tried many times to quit and will try again, but it is a real addiction for me. Also, I do need to increase my calcium intake.
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What is the ideal food then ?Anything that we can eat and digest steadily is ideal Maggie if it continues moving along the path to oblivion and does not come in a format that favours Kp. Less than ideal is starch, some sugars, too much of anything left undigested. The non-simple bit is...anything of a consistency that favours clinging to the GIT or forming little pocket growths of bacteria in a big mass. Kp bacteria colonize easily in potato gel. I would expect they do the same in wheat amylose gel. Having lots of surface area on small granules probably works better for us. Crumbly may be good, saucy is suspect! Fried "crumbs" may seal and protect little Kp pocket colonies. Same particle size and consistency explains why (if dairy is a problem) hard crumbly cheese is better than Brie or Camembert. Then of course there are food combinations, but you learn as you go - there is no other way I AM doing this diet anyway 'cause I need to try anything I can now but I really don't understand the logic when the time of digestion is used as the basis.Just keep it moving steadily. Anything that stands still is of no use to us - it will either putrify or feed the enemy or both. Only thing to allow to rush is fruit so it best has nothing with it. I eat fruit only before meals. Speaking of sugars - diabetics can't follow this diet can they ?Maybe Loz can tell you - or search his posts. Undoubtedly it is more difficult. Go for it Maggie, hope you never look back - most of the info we need is just general healthy stuff useful to everybody and we throw our own little bias. Ted NSAIDs = biochemical warfare where our tactical decisions are hostile to our strategic interests.
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In reply to:
Speaking of sugars - diabetics can't follow this diet can they?
Kind of depends on which diabetes you have....
Type 1
A high starch diet is forever recommended (over and over - drives us crazy) for Type 1 (insulin dependant) diabetics such as myself. They recommend this because the sugars derived from starch are slowly absorbed ("low glyceamic index"). Y'see, it's been shown that a meal containing low glyceamic index foods such a bowl of brown rice and high, like a sweet desert for "afters" lowers the average average speed of absorbtion.
The other reason they recommend starchy carbohydrates so much is because starch tends to be low fat, so if you bulk up on starch you won't eat so much fat, and a high fat diet is very bad for our already-at-risk-by-virtue-of-having-diabetes cardiovascular system.
Cutting out starch with type 1 diabetes is possible, it's just not recommended. One of those awful situations where you have to chose the lesser of two evils. If you try it, you'd need to reduce your insulin dramatically, and be aware of how much fat you're eating. Undoubtedly, your control would suffer somewhat. I am living proof of that - my HbA1c (long term sugar test) went from 'excellent' to 'acceptible' (just) over a period of 2 years).
Type 2
If you're controlled by diet alone, then cutting out starch will keep your control better than ever, as long as you're very careful with high glyceamic index items such as ice cream because big swings in blood sugar levels are just as bad as a constantly high level.
If you're controlled by tablets you've gotta find some kind of balance (balance is the very essence of all diabetic control). You'll need some sugar to balance the action of the tablets, so if there's an ideal way to do it, it would be to lower your dose, and slow down the absorbtion of high glyceamic index foods with some kind of low fat bulk, other than starchy carbohydrates. This begs the question, just how much broccolli can a person eat?
Please rememeber I'm merely a diabetic speaking from experience, not any kind of authority on diabetes. You should discuss this with your diabetic consultant.
Best,
Loz
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