Kickas.org Forums Treatments, Drugs and Alternatives NSD and diet-related; Poll: Rice

I have been suspecting for some time now that rice has very little if any effect on me. (One of my temptations is saffron rice)

There have been a number of comments on this forum from others leading me to consider rice as possibly being a benign starch, so I thought I'd take a poll.

Does rice bother anyone?

Or:

Could you state that rice has little or no effect on your AS?

Thanks,
Paul

Hi Paul,
White and brown rice has no effect on me during a flare up though I prefer brown rice during flareup.
Rgds.,
Krishna

Edited by krishna on 09/08/03 02:58 PM (server time).

Hi, Paul:

Rice is not one of the four major poisons, and does not behave like potatoes (soluble) or flour products (finely milled and highly disseminated), but beware fried rice.

Continued good luck with it,
John

So, John,
If all starches are not created equal, WHY do the KP not feed on rice starch? They're hardly known as picky eaters!

Anyone bothered by beans? I'm not sure they bother me. (Though I've bothered others with my beans)

Thanks,
Paul

I have read somewhere that out of all the starches, rice produces the least amount of residual starch in the intestines. This "residual starch" is the starch that cannot be unzipped to glucose quickly in the small intestines. The reason this may be important is that it may very well be that it is residual starch that Klebsiella feeds on. I not sure where in the intestinal tract Klebsiella starts feeding on starches, but it may be much further on. Perhaps the large intestines?

Wheat on the other hand supposedly produces up the 25% residual starch. Also worthy of note is that whatever you eat, if you overeat and eat more than your digestive system can handle, there will be more food for Klebsiella to feed on. And although Klebsiella explosively grows on starch, I believe its supposed to be a hardly little bacterium that can eat just about anything you can.

I have been on the NSD for several years now and have noticed that rice seems to be the most benign of all the starches. But even so, I do notice that it has an effect on me. I end up eating it occasionally, because my mind & body do feel better eating a little rice once and a while, even though I get a little inflammation. I find it best when I mix it with something - sushi is perfect.


-Don

Steamed rice (white or brown or red) rice wine, rice paper, rice noodles and especially rice crackers affect me not.
However, i believe they make me more susceptible to any deviation from the diet and i eat no more than two rice meals per week.
My take is that rice may have more muco-polysaccharides, that the starch is much more branched (therefore, more like glycogen) or possibly more soluble.

Ted

Sounds fair Don. I think what is also underestimated in grains is the starchiness of the actual proteins. Glutens, gliadin in wheat and all the equivalents in the other grains have their amino acid chains ripped out of them to leave short chains of starch - very digestible for bugs.
Casein is the same.
Rice has very little starchy protein as well as a friendlier type of starch.
Any good links appreciated...
By residual you appear to mean the very indigestible stuff which passes through a long way, hence to the bugs. The actual solubility of starch and these proteins is important and when they drop out of solution, this type of residue can form suspensions which are bug heaven.

Ted

Hi Paul,

Rice has effect on me - little effect if I can say but I am hardly take it too much either ever since I am on the diet.

Sinta

Sorry I may have used the wrong term. Although "residual starch" is what is left undigested, "resistant starch" seems to be the term most websites use. You can google around for references but here's one for example:

http://www.perthdietclinic.com.au/article.asp?GroupID=32&ArticleID=185

Of course, it seems that most web sites think "resistant starch" is a good thing because it promotes "good bacterial growth". And for most people Klebsiella is a good bacterium, since it takes the resistant starch that you couldn't digest and breaks it down further, giving you a few extra calories for free.

Check out the chart they have on the web site. Maybe I should try some Rice Krispies!

Some of the web sites I have just found with this search seem to think that extra/over cooking well break down resistant starch (because cooking breaks down more of a "good" thing). But I alway thought that extra/over cooking cross-linked the starch chains, causing more resistant starch to be generated (which is why fried rice is bad).

Another reason normal people like foods high in "resistant starch" is that those foods have a lower glycemic index, which causes less of a glucose spike for diabetics. For us, we probably need the highest glycemic index foods we can get our hands on.


-Don



made link active, John

Edited by DragonSlayer on 09/09/03 07:09 AM (server time).

Rice affects me but I think Don's rice.. I mean right. I do think we maybe might be following a red herring by thinking in terms of rice is good or not good...ie the black and white thing. The critters will obviously get their hands on the most available..perhaps that's rice and similar resistant starches..AND perhaps it depends also on the number of those critters and which joint they're hanging out in, in the GI. So again it's down to our individual differences. Hey, there may even be individual differences in KP... those that have evolved to prefer rice whilst some are more potato freaks.
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