Kickas.org Forums Ankylosing Spondylitis General Discussion #1 AS Web Support Group Bisphosphonate Drugs & Osteonecrosis - law suit

Yes, it's called personal responsibility when the risks are disclosed and one assumes those risks. Every med has side effects. How could "pharma" be financially responsible for every individual who experiences a disclosed side effect?

I agree to this point to a significant extent. I am also a big believer in personal responsibility.

I'm not attempting to be facetious here, but wouldn't it be more logical to go after the prescribing physicians instead? They are the ones whose duty it is to cause their patients no harm. They know what the potential side effects are, yet direct their patients to use these concoctions manufactured by the pharmaceutical companies anyway. Should they not have a duty to incorporate more methodologies friendlier to a patient's health and well being? Should they not be culpable? Perhaps the name medical doctor absolves them of this liability. Otherwise, go see a naturopathic doctor, chiropractic doctor, or maybe even a witch doctor (OK, I'm being a little facetious with that last suggestion).

Perhaps this is the reason I don't bother with the vast majority of medical doctors for more than a diagnosis or only work with those that get the big picture and aim to root out the cause of the problem (yet I still struggle with a lot of what they advise). Perhaps this is why a greater number of individuals are more interested in, or are already following, natural methods and remedies. The fortunate ones with little interest in their health and the odd acute malady are likely to remain blissfully ignorant. However those with chronic health concerns are more aware of these issues and are apt to seek out better alternatives. The growth in this interest for alternative treatments and remedies may be most realized in the myriad of syndromes, disorders, and complexes manufactured by the medical industrial complex themselves. Individuals desire something better than the typical poison, cut, burn treatments and aspire to heal their bodies.

So, perhaps it is most logical to point the fingers at doctors and not the pharmaceutical companies.

Can I sue my naturalpath when the stuff he prescribes doesn't work? Or when I get a blood clot from a supplement? what about when a Chiropracter breaks a fuse or disables someone as has been known to happen. I have a friend permanently crippled by a chrio. I don't see the line you draw between the groups. Just as many quacks on both sides and they do equal damage.


I would not have survived childhood had it not been for a doc prescribing some of the poisons you describe.

Jaybird, I see a naturalpath/MD, he is the greatest doctor. He listen and he works with me. He also knows his alternative meds, (which no one else reacts to) caused me severe allergic reactions. A natural hormone (Pregnenolone) caused severe hives, within a short few hours like 3 hours. Month later after taking me off the med he tried having me take half the dose once a day. The allergic reaction was quicker, and worse. He had me take Unda 243 a liver cleanse which caused whelts in my mouth (lupus like symptoms). All I had was a drop on the end of my finger under my tongue.

Alternative meds are not always the answer. Care has to be taken with any med you take.

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Gerri

I can't take Enbrel because the manufacturer of Enbrel, has taken me off their list to try the med, stating it was unsafe for me. Not everyone is so thorough as I am. My Rheumy did not know there was sulfites in the Biologics. I went looking for the chemical listings of the drug, and found a S44. How many people would know that this was a sulfite, the same stuff that has caused anaphalatic shock to me in the past (I lived - maybe the next time I won't.) The manufacturer wasn't about to take a chance. Too many doctors are afraid of being sued - no one will treat me unless they have no other choice and I am already on my death bed, in the hospital.

Will I take these drugs, knowing my health issues - no way - Yes like you said Snowshoe, it called personal responsibility.

There are many people, my husband for one - will take any drug the doctor hands him - without giving any thought, to the harm they may cause. But then he doesn't have the allergies/super sensitivities I have. He figues his doctor knows best, and wouldn't think about blaming the pharmacy. He just doesn't think that way.

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Gerri

Hi Molly, Strontium Citrate is not available here in Canada. Until they get a patent, and decide on fillers like (sulfites (in all drugs here in Canada), corn starch, lactose etc. - all things I am allergic too - only guessing on fillers). Will check it out though, when and if there is ever a patent for the drug here in Canada.

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Gerri

PS: Some of the foods with the natural Strontium, I am still able to eat (at least today - tomorrow don't know). Molasses is off my list of foods.

Gerri - yes, available in Canada... Put in a google, lots of hits including CA$ price. Is not a drug is an amino acid. Servier made a drug by synthesising the Strontium Citrate and then adding buffers - ruined a good natural product.

You can also buy on line.

Hi Jaybird, if a Dr writes an Rx or even gives a free samples, it's still up to the patient whether to take it. Agree w/you that some may have no interest in their health or are blissfully ignorant but "go after" the prescribing physicians or hold them "culpable" for what is a personal choice????

It may be a different case if specific risks are unknown or that info was purposely withheld but this case shouldn't be another evil pharma/anti-traditional medicine thread. The patient is free to choose alternative or traditional medicine or some combo thereof and to bear the responsibility to do the research and assume the known risks whichever course is chosen.

BTW, I use all natural capsaicin daily and it BURNS! A rheumy suggested it and said it burns, the research says it burns, the packaging says it burns! Have I been burned by my dr and big pharma??? <--This is how red it makes your skin but the pain is worth the gain for me.

Sorry Molly, what I read was that they are trying to get patent for the drug here.

Where would you get Strontium Citrate - like anything I take - I will check out the ingredients before taking. If everything in it okay - then I would like to start on it ASAP.

Thanks for setting me straight

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Gerri and Makaylah

Can't copy links on this laptop - got to get the icons sorted out. But if you put in a simple criteria for a google search i.e. strontium citrate availability in Canada - then up comes all the info including the CA$ price and from whom to order.

If still got a problem then advise and I'll go to the main PC to send you links (top of house...3 flights of stairs!)