Kickas.org Forums Treatments, Drugs and Alternatives NSD and diet-related; 2 things... salty foods and protein powder

Ok so I'm trying to put on weight, and I found out that my damn whey protein supplement apparently has starch which explains why my stomach goes to hell when I am downing a protein shake. Other than whey isolate, whey concentrate, and partially hydrolyzed whey. the ingredients are as follows:

maltodextrin, natural and artificial flavours, guar gum, soy lecithin, carboxymethycellulose, acesulfame-potassium, sucralose, sunflower oil, corn syrup solids, sodium caseinate, mono and di-glycerides, dipotassium phosphate, tricalcium phosphate, soy lecithin, tocopherols. Contains milk and soy ingredients.

Any idea what has the starch/gluten?

Thanks in advance.

The other thing is... Salty foods. For some reason when I eat deli meat or bacon for breakfast I get a stomach ache.... No idea. Anyone else have this issue?

wle1 - some of the ingredients of that concentrate are not too good, as they are 1) bad for the gut and 2) inflammatory. Will highlight in red for bad and blue for inflammatory (note, that the 'bad' can also be inflammatory, as with the maltodextrine):

maltodextrin, natural and artificial flavours, guar gum, soy lecithin, carboxymethycellulose, acesulfame-potassium, sucralose, sunflower oil, corn syrup solids, sodium caseinate, mono and di-glycerides, dipotassium phosphate, tricalcium phosphate, soy lecithin, tocopherols. Contains milk and soy ingredients.

Carboxymethycellulose: http://www.food-info.net/uk/e/e466.htm
Side effects: "Carboxymethyl cellulose is very soluble, and can be fermented in the large intestine. Large concentrations can cause intestinal problems, such as bloating, constipation and diarrhoea."

acesulfame potassium - new name for...Aspartame
The new sweetener, acesulfame potassium or "acesulfame K" for short, will compete ... Over 92 adverse reactions and side effects have been attributed to ...
tuberose.com/Aspartame.html -

dipotassium phosphate: http://www.healthline.com/natstandardcontent/phosphates-phosphorus
(bone metabolism): Early research shows that high amounts of phosphorus may have negative effects on bone density. This is because phosphorus decreases bone formation and increases bone resorption.
Grade: C

tricalcium phosphate:
http://www.health.com/health/library/mdp/0,,d03803a1,00.html "What are the possible side effects of calcium phosphate? Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.

Less serious side effects may include:

•nausea or vomiting;
•decreased appetite;
•constipation;
•dry mouth or increased thirst; or
•increased urination.

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Sunflower oil and corn syrup - have just been given a leaflet from one of my medical team advising *not to use sunflower oil (nor maise oil) as pro-inflammatory. Corn syrup is much in the 'good health' news as a product to be very wary of (not to take).

As for maltodextrine: is a known for upsetting the gut - has a very bad effect on me (as does MSG, monosodium glutamate...horrible). "It is manufactured by breaking down of starches present in rice, corn and starchy vegetables."
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/maltodextrin-side-effects.html
It has been reported that some people with celiac diseases and allergies to corn, potatoes or wheat have suffered from health problems due to maltodextrin. The other maltodextrin side effects include:
•Allergy to maltodextrin may produce effects similar to wheat, corn or potato allergy like hives, itching, rashes, asthma or allergic rhinitis
•Bloating
•Flatulence

It is all too depressing.

Would it be possible for you to make up your own product without the 'additives' in it? Appreciate prob difficult.

Hope this has helped, apart from being frustrating and depressing that is! It is so darn tedious, but with the gut problems and AS one just has to get used to checking out every single additive for side effects, we are soooo horribly gut reactive to soooo many foods and additives - and this apart from taking into account starches! Appreciate how wretched this can make one feel - yes, and angry. But a fact of coping, managing the gut and AS monster.

Best to you - take care.

Looks like Molly gave you some great information, way to go, Molly!
In terms of putting on weight, I wonder if supplementing with a homemade milkshake might not be better? Milk, cream, organic egg, coconut powder, honey, all natural vanilla...? There are some extra calories for sure!

Bacon: does it have nitrates? Anything added to it? Is it all organic from a health store? Might not be the salt...I don't know, though. Why not instead try some wild caught salmon. Canned, it is less expensive, and I make it into salmon burgers mixed with egg, mustard (gluten free), some coconut flour, etc, and bake them ahead of time.

I remember writing here after a bad reaction to a wonderful healthy protein powder mix and John (Dragonslayer) told me to stay away from anything powdered and that is so true. Might be good for others, but not us, I guess!

Bacon = cured. Cured = Nitrates. Nitrates = mega gut problems...

Been there. ASers should stay away from Nitrates...Sigh. (I love bacon, pref smoked as well! Can't 'do' bacon me!) Includes, sausage and dried sausage - again, a fave. ALSO includes dried/cured beef, i.e. like jerky! (There is an amazing beef sausage over here in Fr. Nitrates, sulphates, sulphers, etc etc. Now, t'is *death to the gut...I have to tear myself 'away' from that section of the Fr supermarket (waahhhhh). Blasted AS *monster. Sigh.

Mackerel, any good oily fish. Natural 'organic' Salmon is expensive and the canned variety is...from 'farmed' salmon. Farmed salmon is fed on pelleted oily fish, PLUS additives and *colourants - to make the flesh 'pink'. All so bl..dy daft. Mackerel, herring, fresh sardines - much better.

Hello, wle1:




maltodextrin, guar gum, and soy should be avoided. I don't know about corboxymethycellulose but there are many people who react to casein so sodium caseinate would not be a good thing at first, either.

When I first learned about the NSD, I was still taking my protein powder that had "soya isolate" and it was a DISASTER; my shoulder bursitis raged on for weeks after that! Whey has casein and plenty of it.

I do not trust anything in powder form, but Carol Sinclair said she does not react to mustard "flour" or garlic powder, so I will suppose they are somewhat safe, but even additives that adulterate our foods and are not shared with us--like starch in salt to keep it from clumping--are sometimes there in enough quantity to cause a severe flare.

Deli meats are very dangerous for all the added starch to hold the mixed up meats together. Careful with ALL fried foods, they rip up the intestines something fierce and any of our nemesis bacterium is drawn like a magnet into our active lesions, thanks to the denatured fry oils.

To put weight on, do the reverse of Atkins but stay within the NSD: Eat dessert after every meal if possible, work out and eat plenty of eggs and cheese is Your friend now, but try hard cheeses over the soft variety; in the early stages sometimes milk products can cause a flare.

Good Luck with it and don't worry at first the weight will come off; I have been NSD for over 10 years and the weight no longer comes off so easily (You can have all my excess if You want it...what's that shipping address?).

Bon appetit,
John

Hi Wie
I would just stay away from all processed foods unless you can find a safe source like a whole foods store where they sell uncured bacon and list all the ingredients. What helped me in the beginning to keep weight on was to eat lots of saturated fats. A big plate of dark chicken was the only thing that made me feel full in the early days. I know it goes against everything we've been taught but your body will eventually adjust to the diet like John says. It took me about a year but now I have to actually be careful again. And I have been able to back off the animal fats and get more of my fats from nuts and coconut oil.

Good luck
Annette

Jon gets bad stomach pains if he eats too much salty food...eg salami, ham, bacon, kranksy sausages. All starch free but it's definitely the salt as if he stays off salt for a while his stomach calms down. These kinds of food are just rubbish really...so artificial. But he loves them...sigh.

Protein shakes unnecessary and so processed ewwwww!

ATM I drink a lot of soy milk should I switch back to dairy milk? I started drinking soy because my doctor was saying that dairy milk was causing mucus to build up in my bronchiols (sp?).

About the "reverse atkins", it seems to me that would be putting on unhealthy weight no?

Wow so much new information... But now I look at my kitchen and cry.

It is probably good to stay away from soy milk whether you are NSD or not. Too much un-fermented soy interferes with thyroid function, contains estrogen-like compounds (undesirable especially for males), is high in oxalic acid which blocks the absorption of necessary minerals (and may actually deplete these), (if a large, mass-marketed, national brand) is most likely processed using petroleum based chemical solvents, and may very well be GM soy (frankenfood).

A better option is rice milk (it is starchy however), almond milk, coconut milk, or hemp milk. I personally prefer almond milk. I have found one brand that does not test starchy, however it is safest to make your own almond milk using blanched almonds if you are strict NSD.