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I was just wondering about probiotic yoghurt drinks like Actimel.
Are they NSD friendly or not?

Was wondering if they are helpful with their freindly bacteria malarky or if they would somehow clash with our attempts to kill off the Kleb.

I would very much appreciate your views and ideas on this, thanks!

Hey Tink - here's my opinion - its marketing.
The probiotic yogurts and drinks on the market are just advertising the benefits of probiotics; when better, natural yogurts like Stonyfields or Brown Cow have probiotics but don't advertise this. I've never looked at Actimel ingredients, but others i've looked at have added stuff that usually make it starchy or contain inulin or FOS, the prebiotics that feed bacteria, good and bad.

I don't know if they carry the brands i mentioned or an all-natural brand to iodine test where you are, but i would do that if your going to buy yogurt. A way to test if a yogurt have live active cultures is to drop a dollop in milk and sit out in sunny spot. It will turn the milk to yogurt.

I've read different opinions on yogurt probiotics. The natural health mag. i subscribe to says its not enough probiotics and they don't survive the digestive tract, so you're better off with a supplement. But its the ad dollars from said supplements that help keep the magazine afloat. I do think probiotics are good, just not sure if yogurt is the best way to get it. Good bacteria crowd out the bad.
take care, Mary cay

Tink - Mary : Last time I checked on the ingredients of Actimel, it contained Aspartame! You don't want to be anywhere near Aspartame nor ANY of the sweeteners. Nasty toxic stuff. Sure as, NOT good for spondy...

Stoneyfields is excellent, but that's Nth America. Tink, for France. Check out the bio stuff. Full milk, AND IF you can locate, raw milk yogurt.

I purchase the bio yog - quite a reasonable selection available (amongst shelves of crap yog.) Once found raw milk - was good yog.

IF you can find a happy cow, go ask the farmer for a jug full, and make your own. Tried that around here, but no luck. Sigh.

But yes, yog is very good for the gut. Also found Tink, a good'ish probiotic. Looked to be a new product - but possibly just fll over a big promotion. Will search it out from the supplements cupboard and post the name for you. Happily (and unusually) no crap like Aspartame buffered into it! WOW. Now that has to be a first...

Take care - go well

Thanks for your input, ladies.
I think from what I've been reading I am going to look into supplements some more instead.
Being careful to avoid those containing starch of course.
Really appreciate you comments, thank you.

Tinks,
They certainly do.

I have several articles bookmarked, here, here, and here. I haven't looked at these for a while, but, general gist is friendly flora are good for you!

That is one thing I have found hard to find here.... supplements that are starch free, artificial sweetner free, and for my current needs sugar free as well. A lot of the probiotics you'll find will probably also have inulin or FOS, which is a prebiotic, stuff to help the probiotic beasties do their thing. Unfortunately this is also fodder for Klebs...
Natrens (sp?) 'Healthy Trinity' is one that folk here have found to tick the NSD requirements, and be really good. It is, however, a budget buster. I looked into it a while ago and there is a place in Europe that ships it, but it was somewhere between 100-200 euros for a short supply. Maybe it was 3 months. Anyway, a bit hard to justify.
Since I am currently off dairy and can't have yoghurt at the mo (was going with full fat, natural, bio stuff) I have sauerkraut instead. My 'bio' store stocks proper cultured stuff. One of these days I'm going to have a go at making it too. The lovely Jeanne has posted her recipe here.



I also am a convert to bone broth, and have it every morning as part of my breakfast. This is another great thing you can do for your gut.... This article tells you why...

Hi Kurumi
Thanks for all your comments.
Goodness the Healthy Trinity pills ought to "cure" AS for that price!!! LOL
I will follow your links and get myself clued up on this.
Much appreciated, my friend.

And if you do go the supplement route, test with iodine - It really is hard to find one that meets all the nsd requirements, I went to Whole Foods with intentions of biting the bullet and picking up healthy trinity, but the house brand called my name and wallet and looked to be fine ingredient wise. I tested it and it turned black, argh. Sometimes it pays to pay... mary cay

I would really suggest making your own yogurt- it is super easy, you can "age-out" all the lactose and you can make it without additives. Also, the longer you make it, the more "friendly guys" you will find inside.

I have been making goats yogurt.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Stacey

Hey Stacey,

Homemade yogurt?!?! That sounds like a wicked idea. I am very interested in hearing how you make it. Looking forward to it.

Jake

More details, please!

How can you tell that you have waited long enough for lactose to have been used up?

Are some cultures more beneficial than others, or have I just been reading too much probiotic marketing material?

Why goat yogurt, because of a casein sensitivity? Some people report problems with dairy, and I wonder if it is due to the lactose feeding the bad germs or due to casein allergy irritating the gut...