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Hi, sue:



1. Ewwwwew GROSS!!
2. Minerals.
3. Ma took a bath once a month, whether she needed one or not...

I think kids exposed to germs are "healthier" because they are in the population that survived.

There is some woman just interviewed recently wrote a book claiming our present obsession with cleanliness is causing weakened immune systems. I really doubt she is on to anything at all but some researchers have the opinion (but not any proof) that antibacterial soaps are causing resistive strains of various bacteria. Antibacterial agent-specific resistive strains?? Well, I can only wonder, but I remain skeptical on that one.

HEALTH,
John

Hi Sue,

I've heard about claims that Salmonella can be found inside the egg, that's why I said there would be some who wanted to disagree. If this is possible, and I must admit to not having read any of this material, it's probably like getting hit by a meteorite, a highly unlikely event, I'll take my chances.

On the whole E coli is harmless, it's used as a marker for polluted water. There are some enteropathogenic strains with specific surface markers and some can cause ureamia and kidney failure, especially in children, often from smoked sausage / small goods. Of course, outside of the GIT it is responsible for most urinary tract infections because of surface reecptors which allow it to gain access via the urethra.

Cheers David

At my farmers market I can buy a variety of different eggs, and I see them showing up at Whole Foods now too.

I raise chickens in my back yard, they are very low maintenance, and each lay one egg per day. I live in the suburbs, with an average size yard, and have a small coop, and am allowed 3 chickens. I let them roam freely during the day, so their diet is lots of bugs and weeds, and lock the in the coop at night.

Hi, David:



I suppose that millions of eggs were used to produce the H1N1 inoculum and I "hope" that none of these were contaminated with Salmonella!

But I keep thinking about Salmonella on the inside of eggs and what a perfect growth medium eggs are, so I would suspect that, if Salmonella had infected an egg for any length of time at all, it would be--literally--bursting out with nasties.

Of course, I only 'suspect' and don't know the truth but I don't eat raw eggs anymore, and used to acquire them locally so sometimes washed their exterior.

My only fear is starch itself,
John

we've thought about raising our own chickens (for the eggs). when we lived in virginia, we got a variety of eggs from a variety of different kinds of chickens from a neighbor. we may still one day get a few chickens. even people in cities can raise their own: city chickens

yeh that first one usually grosses people out!

minearals? microbes? maybe a combo of both...

lots of evidence that "stressing" our immune systems increases its effectiveness.

here's one article addressing the potential of antibiotic resistance to antibacterial soaps: increased resistance to triclosan?
i can see the possibility, lots of proof that overuse of antibiotics in human medicine and agriculture has increased antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria, so why not here as well?

from what i've been reading, the salmonella is within the yolk. that would make sense due to the high levels of lysozyme, a natural antibiotic, within the egg white. but due to this potential contamination, that's why we're advised to store eggs in the refrigerator, keep them cold, slow down the proliferation.

here are two good links:
incredible edible egg
CDC-salmonella-eggs

from what i've been reading in these two links and the link i posted above:

•1 in 20,000 eggs in the U.S. and 1 in 10,000 eggs in the NorthEast are infected with salmonella. yes, a low #, but more than "the chances of being hit by a meteorite".
•the numbers of eggs contaminated (in the U.S.) has been decreasing as of late, the numbers were higher at one point.
•the number of eggs contaminated is higher in some countries, lower in others, as compared to in the U.S.

•from the CDC link (how eggs become contaminated with salmonella): "Unlike eggborne salmonellosis of past decades, the current epidemic is due to intact and disinfected grade A eggs. Salmonella enteritidis silently infects the ovaries of healthy appearing hens and contaminates the eggs before the shells are formed. Most types of Salmonella live in the intestinal tracts of animals and birds and are transmitted to humans by contaminated foods of animal origin. Stringent procedures for cleaning and inspecting eggs were implemented in the 1970s and have made salmonellosis caused by external fecal contamination of egg shells extremely rare. However, unlike eggborne salmonellosis of past decades, the current epidemic is due to intact and disinfected grade A eggs. The reason for this is that Salmonella enteritidis silently infects the ovaries of healthy appearing hens and contaminates the eggs before the shells are formed."

these kinds of questions are always interesting, always an opportunity for me to go do some recent research, see what has changed since the last time i had heard about the topic. thanks for that opportunity, definitely learned some new information myself.

the development of new pathogenic bacteria, new virulence factors always very interesting to me. one of the best places to read about these new developments has been some of the whole genome sequencing papers. here's just a few comparing pathogenic e. coli vs the benign wildtype. a number of different virulence factors in pathogenic e. coli.....

Comparative genomics reveal the mechanis...cherichia coli.

Genome sequence of enterohaemorrhagic Escherichia coli O157:H7

Organised genome dynamics in the Escherichia coli species results in highly diverse adaptive paths