Kickas.org Forums Ankylosing Spondylitis General Discussion #1 AS Web Support Group Antibiotics- help

Hi Emily,
Both the antifungal and the flagyl could be considered precautionary, so some people would probably go without them and hope for the best. Dragon Slayer is right that Flagyl is also an anti-parasitic agent so will act against Giardia lamblia, which is by far the most common parasite we are likely to see.

As an aside - Candida as a source of gut problems is debateable. Some people only report it if the fruiting hyphae are present in the faeces along with the single Candida cells. Candida is present in many asymptomatic patients. I seem to react badly to sugars but have never seen any Candida in my faeces. I'm sure that many people are diagnosed with Candida without any direct proof from faecal examinations.

This discussion is timely for me since I'm going to try antibiotics soon. After 2 years on a LSD / NSD I still have a lot of gut problems and some inflamed joints. When my faeces are firm I can't grow any Klebsiella. But if I culture my stools when they are loose I usually pick up a few colonies of Klebsiella on the selective media we use (called MacConkey's Agar). Klebsiella is a bacteria which often has a slimy capsule - perhaps these strains are harder to get rid off. Some strains can be resistant to quite a few antibiotics. It's worth noting that as far as a microbiology lab is concerned that Klebsiella is considered part of the normal bowel flora.
The lab is really only looking for the bacteria Salmonella Shigella Campylobacter and Yersinia (and a few others) and also parasites like Giardia and Cryptosporidium.

Regards David P

Hi Emily,

A few years ago Jon did really really well on low dose doxycyline (100mg on Mon, Wed and Fri each week). This is a member of the tetracycline family of antibiotics. Based on www.roadback.org protocol.

You may find this link helpful:
Rheumatic.org

So I would recommend it. After 3 months however, Jon developed a really bad stomach problem. Every time he ate anything sugary he got severe stabbing pains in his stomach. So he had to stop the antibiotics and go on an anti-candida diet and it took him over 6 months to come right again.

So use antibiotics at your peril! If taking them then Len should limit or preferably exclude white sugar and also take probiotics....homemade sauerkraut is best.

Chelsea

By that I meant kids liquid pain relief, the kind of stuff that you'll already have on hand for your wee ones fevers etc... Palmol? They will have either sugar or artificial sweetner in them. You'd want to go with a natural sweetner, as artificial ones are to be avoided... My understanding is that paracetamol is still a NSAID, but it isn't heavy duty like the Naproxen.

I got this as an emergency measure, as having to skip my meds while on a day of fluids had me concerned about whether or not I'd be able to get up at all the next day, based on a previous experience of a skipped pill. I had learnt the hard way that if I didn't take my NSAID with food it would completely clear my digestive system out over the next half day or so with what felt like a steel wool scourer. Not something I ever want to experience again. However, I was surprised that I didn't have a great deal of pain, and I didn't need any pain relief at all. I should have paid more attention to that experience, and wish I'd done more research and got off the NSAIDs as soon as possible. They can cause problems later on, even if they seem fine at the time. While it is important to get pain under control, I am really against the nonselelctive NSAIDs as a long term med. There are just too many risks, in my opinion. Especially if you're not on anything to help protect your stomach. If your hubby isn't and is continuing to take them, I recommend that this is something you discuss with the doctor to get, even if it doesn't seem like it is causing problems now. I am suspicious of some of the problems I have had this year, and can't help but suspect the NSAIDs... They really are evil. Although, they were making the difference of being able to get up in the morning and semi-function before I got my diagnosis.

I never thought a fast would be something I could do, as I hate being hungry and have had trouble in the past with low blood sugar. However, the NSD has evened the blood sugar out and isn't normally a problem at all now. Would he be willing to try a day of apples or grapes and juice? That would be a way of starting gently...

Hello Dear John!
My name is Ruslan. I am 31.
I have pain in my back more than 10 years, but only last year the diagnosis has been made.
It is AS.
Last years backbone deformation has begun. In pictures it has been revealed
that I have crisis of 6 vertebras, which makes me a strong pain.
As well the diagnosis an osteoporosis has been made. My treating doctor-rheumatologist has appointed treatment of Sulfasalasin and new medicament BonViva.
Sulfasalasin I accept in a current of 3 months and have made 1 injection BonViva
and I accept a lot of Calicium + D 3 on the doctors prescription.
But I do not feel better. Last week I has found your site and I am very delighted. I have read about a diet without starch and began to adhere to it. Now I feel small improvement. As I have read, you help to people, sending the list of antibiotics for treatment of my disease. I want to ask you send me such list and all your recommendations.
Please, send it on email nmarynich@no.spam.yahoo.com.
I wish to specify, whether correctly my doctors treatment?
Whether it is necessary for me to accept Sulfasalasin? I have read that at it has many by-effects.
Whether it is necessary for me to accept injection BonViva, what do you know about it?
I hope for your help.
Sincerely,
Ruslan.

Naproxen is available (by prescription in the US) in a liquid suspension form, as is Mobic. Various liquid forms of Ibuprofen are also available (over the counter). They are commonly used in Juvenile Arthritis.