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So it sounds like I should just stop drinking water. That'll be challenging. How about the reverse osmosis filtration systems? Where should I lead my horse to drink.

Allan

this is also nonsense.

the quality of tap water depends on your location anyway. In Amsterdam it's fine, so i drink it.

when not OK, you take bottled spring water.

This is all about minor improvements which will not make the MAJOR difference in AS.
the major difference is made through intestinal flora restriction. Your body is able to handle contamintions when it's not occupied by slaughtering your own tissues.

Arjan

Charlie:

I have no particular axe to grind, either, except that I have used distilled water during fasts (and I might recommend it to others only because I have not used any other kind of water; it is in the interest of honesty and thoroughness that I have mentioned it) with great results and I have been on over 50 fasts. Certainly, I do have a mineral deficit; I have not tested myself for this, but AS is a mineral waster. I believe that I have put back at least some of these, but it is difficult to make up for years of neglect.

Dr. Rona's data is impressive, with over 3000 samples yielding some information that he could apply in his practice. The problem I have with it is that I just do not understand the scientific mechanism or the logic. Usually, however, I defer to results; as far as I’m concerned these are more important than “logic” or the transient state of scientific understanding (especially my own).

And I agree, somewhat—
Certainly, distilled water is not a natural substance for humans to drink, but I think milk and alcohol are in this category, also. Seawater should be the health drink of choice, according to Dr. Rona's reasoning. But what happens when we try to drink only seawater for very long? And seawater is just about the most corrosive substance around (for metals…not human tissue). All natural waters have a pH somewhere between 6.5 and 8.5. I am less concerned with specific pH than with what is causing the water to not be at a pH of 7. This is always due to electrolytes; ionic ‘particles.’

[To consider:]
If I try and do some simple math to discover what to, and what not to drink, the picture becomes a bit more clear: “The stomach has so many electrolyte units already that nothing we could swill down our throats can very much alter the osmotic differential of adjacent tissues. The osmotic pressures determine the rates of diffusion—or how fast the solutions will reach equilibrium across a semi-porous membrane.

Here is my reasoning:
Ions in stomach solution: 750,000 (ionic particles per unit volume)
Ions in distilled water: 0
Ions in very ‘hard’ water 10,000

If the volume of water introduced into the stomach is equal to the volume of stomach fluid, the resultant concentrations will look something like this:

After drinking distilled water 375,000
After drinking ‘hard’ water 385,000
If the ‘hard’ water was basic 355,000


To me, drinking anything that is basic is just plain nutty! Our stomachs are very acid on purpose, and taking an antacid is counterproductive.

Also, water is actually an important component of most foods we consume, so to be on the safe side we better dehydrate those apples (apple juice has a pH of 3.6!) and oranges (pH 3.7) before eating them and replace with drops of magic fluid to alter the pH or with spring water!


Now after all that, bilko’s beer seems like a good idea, eh what?

Best Regards,
John

I always did like the sound of Bilko's high beer diet.

I've declined so far (and you are probably glad of that) to join this conversation as, like John, i fail to see the logic and science in pH and mineral content arguments when water enters the stomach environment. I do know that slightly mineralised water from a spring or "babbling brook" tastes better than distilled or de-ionized water.
I also agree that results are much better than logic, so (using result logic) How many of us drink our very own urine? It's supposed to cure everything! Must be relevant here - electrolytically. No, i'm not "taking the p*ss...... in either sense.....
http://www.hps-online.com/hurine1.htm One of many.....
A pseudo-scientist in Australia SELLS alkaline water (clever man) because he noticed that cows from an area of alkaline ground water were very healthy.
Something may correlate, maybe it's just actual up-take of calcium and magnesium in the grass that they eat.
I have said this before, but my naturopath recommends no minerals unless they are organic so i add kelp and research variety of veggies for minerals. Fish come from a wide-ranging, total nutrient source. I'm sure that the wine helps too...
I accept that WE may have to question that idea as OUR sections of intestine where minerals should be absorbed may be compromised and we need the minerals available earlier.

My chosen approach to water consumption is to drink previously boiled water - usually the excess left in the (often cleaned) kettle. This is a carry over from severe dysentry/E.Coli on board after one tank sat full for four months in the heat of the tropics and i had to boil all my drinking water.
A note of caution. Distilled, de-ionized and reverse-osmosis water can accumulate bacteria populations much quicker than tap water - so store them cool and fresh. "Holy water" from churches was renowned for contamination between baptisms.
Bottoms up!


Ted
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