Kickas.org Forums Treatments, Drugs and Alternatives NSD and diet-related; interesting link

Hi all,

i found an interesting link about leaky gut syndrome.

they talk about what factors increase permeability of the gut wall: considering this,
One line triggered my interest:


Recent fasting or crash dieting may increase permeability.


if the above is true, after a fast we should attend repairing the gut wall

conveniently, this page summarises a lot of nutricients to be used to repair it :-))

here is the link: http://www.mdheal.org/leakygut.htm

Arjan

Dear Arjan:

This is a great article; thanks for the link. As with everything else, fasting should be properly managed and perhaps a good supplementation programme followed for some period before starting a fast, also. I know that it helped me to get rid of ulcers, proctitis, and most other lesions as well as save me from many a severe flare, but now perhaps there is a good explanation as to why we flare so readily upon resumption of consumption.

Best Regards,
John

Great Link!!!!

Thanks for sharing-

Peace
Linc

Linc O'Brien

Hey Arjan , Thanks for posting the link ! That table 2 in the article described me before the NSD .......Fevers of Unknown origin......Abdominal Distension.....Diarrhea.....Skin Rashes.....Fatigue and Malaise....Sound like any of you before NSD ? Getting the leaky gut stopped is important no doubt ! Talk Later.

Bruce

Hi Arjan,
Oh Yeah!! Awsome!! -- Alot of answers. Did you read Dr. Galland's book?
Thank You,
Ike

my name is martin and i have just been diagnosed with A S i would like to know what
will happen to me long term. the consultant has told me that i have it very serverely.
i have good days and bad days but i am trying to find out as much as i can so i can come to terms with it and will it get any worse. i get very fatigued and would like some tips

yours sincerely martin

Hi Martin! Welcome to KickAS.

I would suggest you go to the main board as well as learning from the people in the NSD area. There are a ton of very knowledgeable people here who have been researching this disease for ever it seems. They're also great for support and laughs on those days when you just feel like AS is going to break you.

The consultant was right in telling you that the severity varies from person to person. As does treatment. Some of us are on pharmaceuticals, others are not, some combat it through diet, others find that diet has no bearing on the disease. All of us have exercises that we are supposed to do every day to keep our mobility. And all of us know what you are talking about when you mention fatigue - it goes hand in hand with AS. What you need to do now is learn about AS, how it affects you, what you can do to feel better. And ask questions, ask, ask, ask and eventually, you'll find yourself answering them for newly diagnosed people.

I'm sorry for the reason that you are here, but I'm really glad you found us. I encourage you to register and become a regular member. It's a great bunch of folk over here at KickAS and they are very worth getting to know.

Hugs,

Kat

Arjan,

Thanks!. Interesting article. Very informative. Nice set of references.

I had Dr. Galland's article on Nutritional Therapy for Crohn's Disease in my database, but not this one, so I promptly added it.

Notice the phrasing he uses via a vis the Klebsiella Konspiracy

In reply to:

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Immune sensitization to the normal gut flora is an important form of dysbiosis that has been implicated in the pathogenesis of Crohn's disease and ankylosing spondylitis[67-81].

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He's no dummy, but he also isn't an Ebringerist!

Best regards,

jcwinnie

Thanks for the link to Dr. Galland's article. As a person with CD and undiagnosed joint pain, I found it interesting. Especially since the second rheumy I saw recommended fish oil. He also suggested an elimination diet to see what I might be sensitive to, but I'm not feeling bad enough at the moment to give up the Prime Suspects. He suggested starting with red meat (I think he's a vegetarian), but I think that's far less likely than dairy, sugar and starch. Have any of you on the LSD had luck reintroducing non-glutenous starches such as rice? --Jeri

Jeri,

Careful, you are speaking sacreligiously; the Ebringer priests will come down from the Mount and smite you with a steak!

I seem to be able to tolerate small amounts of parboiled rice without problems.

Having read over the Galland article several times; I have problems (Gasp! You're surprised.) with a few of his statements:

In reply to:

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Nabumetone (relafen) is a pro-NSAID that is activated into a potent NSAID by colonic bacteria; the active metabolite is not excreted in bile. Nabumetone is the only presently available NSAID that does not increase small intestinal permeability.

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I was unable to find anything on the Internet that substantiated these claims. A search of KickAS did indicate major dissatisfaction with this NSAID; Buggy being the most vociferous. It did "zilch-ola" for her. Others complained of stomach problems from taking it. I wonder if this could be an example of (Yikes, ike!) "undue influence?"

In reply to:

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Feeding glutamine reverses all these abnormalities.

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My research shows that when glutamine is given parentally, i.e., TPN or intravenously, then there is a positive outcome. When glutamine is given enterally, i.e., as a food supplement, then the results are inconclusive. Much of this research is with animal models. Researchers suspect that glutamine metabolism is more complex than initially thought.

In reply to:

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For maximum benefit with regard to intestinal permeability, dietary fibre supplementation should therefore contain a predominance of hypoallergenic insoluble fibre.

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I sat up and took notice at this statement, for I have been using and advocating psyllium, which is soluble (soft) fiber, rather than insoluble (hard) fiber. Hard fiber can irritate the intestines (see previous sacreligious discussion on Low Residue/Low Fiber Diet). Nevertheless, it would seem that Galland is ascribing a different importance to the fiber matrix. Need more data

Best regards,

jcwinnie