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Also, I don't understand your comment about green??? Am I green like eco-green, like a "green horn", or are you calling yourself green? Help me understand. Also, liberal times? Please help me understand.




I was making a joke about your green "Incredible Hulk" avatar, sorry if I am being typically obscure

related topic for another day perhaps, the whole controversy about Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" and all that, people who are advocating we take the global warming situation seriously are often called "green" and are in direct opposition to industrialized Big Business, who claim that it is all a bunch of hoopla

Once mistakenly got into one of those backyard BBQ discussions with my nephew in Phoenix. He is convinced that the whole thing is a left-wing conspiracy

And I was "Of course you can think that, standing out here under the ever-beautiful blue skies of Arizona! In New York City, we can see the difference in the skies between the middle of the day, and then the smog during rush hour, when all those cars are piled up bumper to bumper!"


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another day, another story about the pharmaceutical companies breaking the law

even the existing laws:

Pfizer pays largest criminal fine in U.S. history, 1.19 billion

hits close to home for me, I'm taking Neurontin!


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another day, another story about the pharmaceutical companies breaking the law




That's a good story to be told and unexpectedly I seem to have stumbled in to more than I ever wanted to know about the topic & have even been asked if I'd like to testify to the FTC. Still considering the invite but the movie Silkwood keeps coming to mind --> (hitman)

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hits close to home for me, I'm taking Neurontin!




It was prescribed for me too Dow!!


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Ewww yes BE CAREFUL we so need people to stand up for us BUT it is a very real thing and you can bet they have the muscle and the money to back it up.

Good luck,

Lisa


Speak kindly, Live simply, Care deeply, Love generously, and BLAH, HA, HA, LOUDLY! every chance you get.

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Yep me too for at least 2 years or more!


Speak kindly, Live simply, Care deeply, Love generously, and BLAH, HA, HA, LOUDLY! every chance you get.

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I'm totally with your nephew on that amongst a whole bunch of other things.

True or not, I believe there are people who are using it to push more taxes and controls and eventually tax people for living. Believe it or not...


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You didn't get my great puns in that post?

Warm hugs,


Kat

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Ahhh... "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry". My intention is to morph back into Dave Banner at some point in time, but I'm still as angry and enraged as I was at the time I put this up, therefore it stays until that time. Been that way for practically the last 15 years.

Here's a blog post I found interesting that I thought I would post.


Healthcare "Reform": the State and Plutocracy Stripmine the Middle Class (Again)


Kind Regards,
Jay

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Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now. - Thomas Jefferson
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Ahhh... "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry". My intention is to morph back into Dave Banner at some point in time, but I'm still as angry and enraged as I was at the time I put this up, therefore it stays until that time. Been that way for practically the last 15 years.




Well, I like that. Now we have a goal on this KickAS thread, we'll know if we ever see that Dave Banner avatar, that progress has been made!

I read the Charles Hugh Smith blog that you posted..

my thoughts are that he is describing not a system that is being proposed, but more like the one that exists today, where the health care industry rules the order of things, with our government being under their control, not the other way around!

and we will never reach a situation where "everything is free for all" nor should we try to attempt that, he is right that it would bankrupt our system, simply not possible

good point that other countries that provide greater degree of benefits for their people are stressed under the costs of doing that, but I'm sure they would counter that with that they feel that is a cost well worth spending...

but we're not talking about that here, not a newly-created government-run health care system, that uses our taxes to pay itself, we're talking about using the collective bargaining power of US citizens, (many of whom are not covered at all, and therefore have zero negotiation power) to continue to pay our existing doctors, hospitals, and drug companies

but with a critically important difference...

That the governmental bill that is being proposed is designed to NOT run at a profit, (actually decrease our deficit, not increase it) unlike our insurance companies, that were set up that way from day one, and they are VERY successful at it

So I think of it as this being about creating a competition, when the not-for-profit entity starts competing with the for-profit existing entities, the result should be lower prices for us, less profit for them, more people covered

I know you don't trust that...fair enough, when there are billions and billions of dollars involved, I'm sure that we both don't believe that it won't be the end of corruption...


Here's something I think we should all watch:

(especially the part about how it will affect tax our tax burden)

Congressman Rob Andrews from last week


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