Originally Posted By: 30yrvet
Happy New Year everyone...

It's amazing that this thread is still going on??? It was a good discussion with good points on both sides, but the damage is done. The Dem's have had it their way, and have mortgaged our grandchildren's and great grandchildren's future to the hilt.

It ain't over yet!

The 2 bills are now in conference committee, where they will get melded together, hammered, & pummeled by all the forces and special interests that continue to exist in our country, and we should try to keep on top of them so we don't end up with the worst from both bills

I wish we didn't look at this as a Dem vs Republican issue, health care reform is in every citizen's interest, but please take a closer look at this:

found that here: zFacts.org (left-wing commentary, but chart info came from the White House.org)

Originally Posted By: 30yrvet
The US national debt today is 12 trillion and counting, so why not add another trillion to the debt for the healthcare bill. Oh yeah and let's add another trillion for yet another meaningless economic stimulus package. Who knows where the limit is going to end up. Today, without the healthcare bill, the interest alone on the national debt is at least $480,000,000,000.00 per year. That is conservatively $15,000.00 every second of the day for interest only!!!

I'm 61 years old. I'll never live to see the national debt paid off, but my grandchildren, great grandchildren, and great great grandchildren, etc... will be paying for it in higher taxes for their entire lives. Not that anyone really wants to pay off the national debt. The last president that was even remotely interested in paying off the debt was Andrew Jackson, and he was obsessed with paying it off, and he did it. Of course that was clear back in 1835. It's amazing how smart we are now compared to those old fogies.

Seems to me that many people are still taking it as a predetermined fact that health care reform will increase the national debt, rather than decrease it.

The Congressional Budget Office as of 8 days ago, said that the Senate bill, as it exists today, would yield a net reduction in federal deficits of 132 billion over the 2010-2019 period

Letter to Harry Reid (pdf)

here again is my link to Rep. Andrews from Nov. 7 disputing some of these perceptions in regards to that bill:

Originally Posted By: 30yrvet
Please forgive me for my rant. I mean no disrespect for any of my brothers or sisters on KickAS, or anywhere for that matter. I just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in. And, as it turns out, 2 cents isn't worth a lot these days.

well, those 2 cents plus the zillions of points that you've got coming to you as one of the current leaders in the "Water" music quiz, well, that adds up to...

(checking calculator...)

Definitely worth more than 2 cents to me! laugh2