There is a lot of emotion in this topic. I have enjoyed some of the discussion, but far too much for me to read through; and for you to
I do agree that you have had a rousing discussion on this topic. Agreeing to disagree can be a solution sometimes. When we come from a basic predisposition that is so much different from the person we are refering too it seems difficult at times not to be negative or to add adjectives.
I enjoy having friends that I disagree with. It is a choice.
I hope you and yours have a good holiday! If ya come this way, call ahead I make up the bed and put one the hot cidar, bake some tollhouse cookies and we will talk up a storm!

I keep the New Covenant,
when I fail....I am pulled
back into place by HIM.