thanks for the feedback regarding the vibrums.

walking in my keds today, was wondering if i'm already pretty close to the barefoot shoes. the bottoms are so thin, i can feel pebbles when i walk on them. just a flat flat bottom and thin canvas. they are one of the few things that don't bother my feet or knees.

anyway, still considering them, except for the toe thing. but there are other "barefoot shoes" that don't have the toe thing going on, so others to consider as well. http://barefootrunningshoes.org/ i did try on the nike free, but they had arch support and so weren't really so free. for me its not just the flexible sole, but the lack of arch support, forcing my foot into an unnatural position that is the problem.

as for price, agreed. the loafers i just bought were over $100 but worth every penny. did buy the $300 custom orthotics, too bad they don't work. however, for me, since its the arch support in most shoes that is my undoing, ironically the cheaper shoes tend to be better for my feet. like my keds, i think they're only about 20 dollars and i have to replace them yearly, but so far, the only sneaker i've found to work in like the last 10 years or so. there was a sneaker that worked for me, can't remember which brand, but they discontinued it, as usual.

but do like the concept of the barefoot shoe.
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Spondyloarthropathy, HLAB27 negative
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