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#473225 - 07/13/12 11:29 AM NSD/LSD some questions.....
saltire Offline
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Registered: 05/29/10
Posts: 538
Loc: Scotland
what would be a hot,cookable alternative to porridge OATS?

what would work as a replacement to cooked white rice?

what carbs can one eat?as i understand things carbs are a good source of energy for those that require the boosts in energy(runners etc) what is left in the way of carbs that is not full of starch?
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#473229 - 07/13/12 01:17 PM Re: NSD/LSD some questions..... [Re: saltire]
Sue22 Offline
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Registered: 01/13/08
Posts: 19040
Loc: Upstate NY
i actually feel most energetic when i eat only protein (meats, fish, eggs, etc) and veggies. personally i don't think your body will miss the starches / complex carbs. i know mine doesn't. maybe a little fat too like EVOO or nuts.



Edited by Sue22 (07/13/12 01:18 PM)
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sue

USpA
LDN/zanaflex/flector
vits C, D. probiotics. fish oil. CoQ, Mg, Ca
pred taper for flares
occasional naproxen / Aleve
chiro
walk
no dairy (casein sensitivity), limited eggs
future: humira, soon I hope

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#473249 - 07/14/12 01:58 AM Re: NSD/LSD some questions..... [Re: saltire]
Grumpyally Offline
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Registered: 01/24/12
Posts: 226
Loc: UK
Cauliflower fried 'rice' might be a suitable substitute. I haven't tried it myself yet but it may make a suitable substitute. It is on my to do list. I have however used it successfully as a substitute for mashed potatoes as a shepherds pie topping etc.

I found this recipe on the net

Cauliflower Rice

4 tablespoons olive oil
1 medium onion, diced
1 cup celery, finely diced
1 head cauliflower, trimmed and coarsely chopped
¼ teaspoon celtic sea salt

1.In a large skillet , heat olive oil over medium heat
2.Saute onion over medium heat for 10 minutes, until soft
3.Add celery to skillet and saute for 5 minutes
4.Meanwhile, place cauliflower in a food processor with the "S" blade and process until the texture of rice
5.Add cauliflower to skillet, cover and cook 5-10 minutes, until soft, then add salt

I have another but it is more an egg fried vegetable mix with cauliflower as its base. I am assuming you just want a basic rice like dish so haven't included it.

As for a porridge sub the only thing I can think of is chia seeds. The usual thing is to soak them in liquid (eg milk of choice) 1cup of chia seeds to 4 cups water for 2hours or more. This mix will keep in the fridge for approx 4/5 days. This is usualy eaten cold with fruit yoghurt etc added but you can cook them so you can then heat it to your desired temp and add anything else you like fruit etc. They do have a wheaty taste which you may or may not like so if you were to try them just buy a small amount first as they are expensive. Shop online Holland and Barrett charge a small fortune for them. Apparently they behave a bit like oats in that they help you feel full for longer.

There may be a specific chia 'porridge' recipe if you try googling or variations of the cauliflower rice.
Hope this helps
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#473250 - 07/14/12 02:05 AM Re: NSD/LSD some questions..... [Re: saltire]
SJLC Offline
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Registered: 02/16/10
Posts: 1046
Loc: CA, USA
I eat hot flaxseed cereal for breakfast -- the texture is very different from oats, but if you put in raisins, butter, sweetener (sugar, stevia, or honey) flavoring (e.g. vanilla extract or orange oil) the flax porridge can taste rather nice.

Try mix of walnuts and raisins for an energy snack.

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#473269 - 07/14/12 01:58 PM Re: NSD/LSD some questions..... [Re: saltire]
bettyrawker Offline
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Registered: 03/12/12
Posts: 370
Loc: Willamina, OR
Here is my favorite porridge-like no/low starch recipe. I really enjoy chia seed pudding for breakfast. And its very very easy to make. You can omit the chocolate powder for the no starch version. Although I think this porridge is better served chilled or at room temperature. I have never had it heated, not sure, probably be okay?



You can also top with blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, etc. And either fresh or canned coconut cream.

here is a link to the full recipe: http://bettyrawker.com/2012/07/13/dessert-for-breakfast-chia-pudding/

Chocolate Chia Pudding:

1 cup “milk” (almond milk, hazelnut milk, hempseed milk, etc)
2 medjool dates (or 1 - 2 tbsp sweetener) or stevia
1 + 1/2 tbsp raw cacao powder
1/4 cup chia seeds

Blend the first 3 ingredients together, or you can stir if you aren’t using whole dates as your sweetener. I like to blend so that even if I am using honey to sweeten instead of dates, everything gets well combined.

Pour into a glass jar or bowl. Stir in chia seeds. Let set a few minutes, stir again. In about 15 minutes you will have a nice thick pudding.
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#473274 - 07/14/12 02:52 PM Re: NSD/LSD some questions..... [Re: saltire]
saltire Offline
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Registered: 05/29/10
Posts: 538
Loc: Scotland
thank you ladies and gentlemen......i have just realised that i am very nearly on, and have been for some time,a LSD

i gave up cakes,puddings,sweets, potatoes and bread because i HAD to,they were bloating my stomach something awful and i made the connection between the foods and IBS....all i eat now in the form of starch methinks is the morning porridge and some pasta and rice from time to time

pasta i could care less about and the rice could go too i suppose,maybe i could find an alternative to white rice for my sweet and sour i make at home......and the porridge oats?well maybe that is so low in starch as not to be much of a concern?

i have been getting some bad seborrheic dermatitis of late and i have made the connection that sweets,chocolate,candies,soda pop.....anything with sugar will bring me out in a lovely vivid red rash,so if i go out for a night or attend a wedding or function i have to refuse the soda pop,cakes,sweets,candies,puddings,potatoes,rice,pizza,i don't drink alcohol anyway (through choice ) smile LOL ice cream you get the picture...i am the life and soul of the party ha ha

i am getting a little fed up with myself with this bloody disease.what's left to give up? i have nothing left to give

i will say one thing though exercise and keeping well away from the starchy foods have helped my IBS/bloating
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nope,not interested in the NSD or fasting,thanks very much


hemorrhoids

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#473280 - 07/14/12 03:31 PM Re: NSD/LSD some questions..... [Re: saltire]
saltire Offline
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Registered: 05/29/10
Posts: 538
Loc: Scotland
last 2 questions for the time being...

i like the USA sweet potatoe...i guess that is starch,yeah?
what carbs are safe/free from starch?
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nope,not interested in the NSD or fasting,thanks very much


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#473282 - 07/14/12 03:57 PM Re: NSD/LSD some questions..... [Re: saltire]
Sue22 Offline
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Registered: 01/13/08
Posts: 19040
Loc: Upstate NY
Originally Posted By: saltire
thank you ladies and gentlemen......i have just realised that i am very nearly on, and have been for some time,a LSD

i gave up cakes,puddings,sweets, potatoes and bread because i HAD to,they were bloating my stomach something awful and i made the connection between the foods and IBS....all i eat now in the form of starch methinks is the morning porridge and some pasta and rice from time to time

pasta i could care less about and the rice could go too i suppose,maybe i could find an alternative to white rice for my sweet and sour i make at home......and the porridge oats?well maybe that is so low in starch as not to be much of a concern?

i have been getting some bad seborrheic dermatitis of late and i have made the connection that sweets,chocolate,candies,soda pop.....anything with sugar will bring me out in a lovely vivid red rash,so if i go out for a night or attend a wedding or function i have to refuse the soda pop,cakes,sweets,candies,puddings,potatoes,rice,pizza,i don't drink alcohol anyway (through choice ) smile LOL ice cream you get the picture...i am the life and soul of the party ha ha

i am getting a little fed up with myself with this bloody disease.what's left to give up? i have nothing left to give

i will say one thing though exercise and keeping well away from the starchy foods have helped my IBS/bloating


do you have celiac / gluten sensitivity? that would explain anything with "wheat" or a few other grains for giving you IBS.

a substitute for rice with your sweet and sour? i don't make sweet and sour as it has too much sugar. but i do make stir fry with chinese five spice powder (a little soy sauce (very salty to me so very sparingly used), a little sesame oil (very strong so just a little, at end after cooked, as its a delicate oil), and a little honey for sweetness but very little). i used to mix in meat (chicken usually) and serve it over rice. now i just make it with veggies, a little mandarin oranges for sweetness, and maybe meat, though not usually, instead i add shitake mushrooms (IMO they have a meaty texture), and of course lots of different veggies. sometimes i just use broccoli and shitakes. i don't miss the rice underneath at all. smile

i understand giving up all the sweets. me for different reasons (metabolic syndrome) but do understand. last year one of my colleagues had a dessert party. i brought some fruit crisp so i could at least eat a little of something. and had to eat a big meal before i went.

i can't eat ice cream due to not being able to eat dairy. but can eat a little (1/4-1/2 cup serving at a time) of coconut ice cream. i like it better than cow's milk ice cream. i've also had nut "ice creams"; very good. but if you can't do sugar, then maybe you can't have these either.

i do eat "sweet potatoes" in small quantities.

i've just discovered a lot more veggies lately. i go to the produce department and just load up on new interesting things. that's what i eat for "carbs".

i also do eat winter squashes. they are low starch. i personally think that spaghetti squash served with tomato sauce (not too much as it has sugar) and romano grated cheese (sheep's milk, so ok for me) is a fine substitute for pasta. i prefer it actually. to cook, stab the squash really good all over with a big chef's knife. bake it at 350 F for an hour. take out and cool. cut in half, clean out the seeds in the middle, and then with a fork, pull out the threads of squash.

i also eat beans. since i avoid complex carbs due to metabolic syndrome, and beans are good for that as they are metabolized very slowly, i eat them. not everyone can tolerate them. maybe explore hummus and puree'd lentils as a start. easiest on the digestive system of the beans.

nuts give a lot of energy. one of my favorite dishes is the following:

toast some sliced almonds in a dry pan til you just smell the aroma of toasted nuts, dump from hot pan immediately
cook some applewood bacon with onions
break the bacon into little bites
drain most of the bacon fat, but not all of it
add some EVOO to the pan
saute' green beans, mushrooms
add some canned pineapple chunks at the end

i hate green beans, but love them this way. its low starch. and a complete meal with the bacon, nuts, and shrooms

really, with all the veggie choices, i don't even miss the complex carbs anymore. but of course i eat beans and nuts so that really adds to my choices.

but yes, does get tricky to eat other people's foods. so i eat before i go and then take some of my own food if i need to eat while somewhere, just in case.

can usually eat the veggie and fruit trays though. but that's not a lot.
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sue

USpA
LDN/zanaflex/flector
vits C, D. probiotics. fish oil. CoQ, Mg, Ca
pred taper for flares
occasional naproxen / Aleve
chiro
walk
no dairy (casein sensitivity), limited eggs
future: humira, soon I hope

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#473298 - 07/14/12 05:53 PM Re: NSD/LSD some questions..... [Re: saltire]
saltire Offline
Veteran_AS_Kicker

Registered: 05/29/10
Posts: 538
Loc: Scotland
"do you have celiac / gluten sensitivity? that would explain anything with "wheat" or a few other grains for giving you IBS."

i just thought that i had IBS because of the AS. i was aware that a high percentage of [*bleep*] also had IBS

bread and cakes will bloat me within minutes....BIG TIME

the bleeped word is AS........s


Edited by saltire (07/14/12 05:56 PM)
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nope,not interested in the NSD or fasting,thanks very much


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#473305 - 07/14/12 07:44 PM Re: NSD/LSD some questions..... [Re: saltire]
Sue22 Offline
Very_Addicted_to_AS_Kickin

Registered: 01/13/08
Posts: 19040
Loc: Upstate NY
you could have both. kat does.

in any case, most important thing is that you ID'ed the things that bother you and avoided them.

way back before i knew why, other than "genetics" / family history, i noticed some meals killed my stomach and some soothed it.

kept a food / symptom diary and within about 3 months, figured out what i could and couldn't eat.

but more recently (2006), my GI doc biopsied me for celiac (neg). and even more recently (2010? 2011?) did blood work for celiac (both antibody and gene) (both negative once again). so i'm not celiac, just spondy and sensitive to casein in dairy, and a little bit to eggs.
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sue

USpA
LDN/zanaflex/flector
vits C, D. probiotics. fish oil. CoQ, Mg, Ca
pred taper for flares
occasional naproxen / Aleve
chiro
walk
no dairy (casein sensitivity), limited eggs
future: humira, soon I hope

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