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#518456 - 03/17/18 03:43 PM Re: AS controlled [Re: Arindam]
Smed Offline
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Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 938
Depending on where your ancestry comes from and your genes, different diets work individuals. I do well on a high protein low starch. My motto is if it is green, No pun for Saint Patrick's Day, has a face or is produced by a face I do fine.

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#518457 - 03/18/18 12:51 PM Re: AS controlled [Re: Robin_H]
Arindam Offline
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Registered: 10/27/10
Posts: 68
Loc: Dubai,UAE and Kolkata,India
Robin,

My diet is simple - Fruits in the morning(till 12pm). Raw veggie Juice at 2.00pm and then rice(basmati), typically home cooked vegetable curry and / or fish curry. Yes I do eat lentils. Same at 8.00pm.

I dont worry about starch.We are traditionally non vegetarian (as we are from coastal India) but now I am almost vegan and eat fish rarely.

Just no milk/milk products. No meat. No poultry . This has healed my gut and so no abnormal inflammatory response in my body.

HTH, good luck!

Arindam
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#518463 - 03/18/18 10:12 PM Re: AS controlled [Re: Smed]
Robin_H Offline
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Registered: 09/13/15
Posts: 219
Loc: Hubei, China
Yes Smed, I agree. Tolerated diet has much to do with our genes and how they are regulated as our neuroimmune system LEARNS to interact with our microbiome. There is ample evidence that diet can also feedback through our nuroimmune system to alter gene expression and that that gene expression carries over to the next generation mostly through the mother. What your great grandmother ate, thought and experienced is passed on to you.

It is said that the mother spends her whole life preparing her body to nurture the baby. That isn't sexists and science shows that epigenitics and the microbiome are strongly intertwined and inherited. Genes are a minority of the story. Cultural and social capital in the sense of resources, values and habits are passed on too; it all matters.

I like the way these two contrasting rationales for what is the right diet exemplify how important empirical evidence is in comparison to just a good theory that convincingly weaves facts together.

The empirical diet (diets are individualistic):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z03xkwFbw4

The theoretical diet (there is one diet for all humans):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wG3b3ql34A

Again, diet can alter gene expression. We are not locked into a diet based on our genes but I do suspect that optimum health is subtly dictated by genes.

Having that dreaded HLA-B27 gene seems to be a detriment if you eat grains: there is anthropological evidence that rates of vertebra fusion was abnormally high among migrants that moved from the northern latitudes into Egypt to work and ended up eating more grains (note: the story that King Tut had AS has changed). But perhaps having the HLA-B27 gene also reduces the rates of cancer and suseptibialty to pathogens -- it's a double edged sword!

But having emphasized the importance of "evidence" I still think there are times that doctors need to treat the patient and symptoms instead of the blood tests and biopsies for humanitarian purposes.

Sometimes you just have to have faith. For example, I had faith that the prophecies of the Standard Model of Particle Physics was correctly prophecizing the existence of the Higgs Boson -- it just had to exist to make the model work and there was way too much evidence already supporting the model. And so it was observed 40 years after its prediction! Related to that, the evidence is growing that gravity is not a fundamental force field but actually an emergent property of more fundamental principles in physics. Lastly, I take a leap of faith and hypothesize that nothing is real but consciousness. So maybe I can just think my diseases away! grin

Enough said!

May the Force be with you, always!
Robin
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HLA-B27 neg; Mis-diagnosed with fibromyalgia in mid-20s.
Vague AS symptoms in 20s and early 30s (no diagnosis).
During age 47 (2015) from NSAID use developed complete axial inflammation (started from from skull and progressed down to sacrum). Included psoriasis. Trigger in scull was reverse blockage in a SCUBA mishap in 2013. Straw that broke the camels back was over use of NSAIDs. NSD works well but not perfect. Strong involvement between symptoms and gut integrity.

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#518464 - 03/18/18 10:32 PM Re: AS controlled [Re: Arindam]
Robin_H Offline
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Registered: 09/13/15
Posts: 219
Loc: Hubei, China
Hi Arindamn:

What methods do you use to cook food: fried in oil (and what oils), steamed, boiled, broiled, baked,...?

I agree that if a person can not get uncontaminated meats then it is best to be a vegetarian. Due to some health damaging sugar type in red meats they are even more off the diet list irregardless if they are organically grass fed. Eat red meat only in emergencies like airplane crashes in the high mountains.

I am noticing that I do not seem to be reacting too badly to Thai glutenous rice. However if I eat other types of rice or nuts then my whole body turns into fire. Sadly, I am sneaking in yogurt and egg into my pancakes made from the Thai glutenous rice. Perhaps I should take your advice and eliminate the egg and yogurt.

Thanks!

May the Force be with you!
Robin
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HLA-B27 neg; Mis-diagnosed with fibromyalgia in mid-20s.
Vague AS symptoms in 20s and early 30s (no diagnosis).
During age 47 (2015) from NSAID use developed complete axial inflammation (started from from skull and progressed down to sacrum). Included psoriasis. Trigger in scull was reverse blockage in a SCUBA mishap in 2013. Straw that broke the camels back was over use of NSAIDs. NSD works well but not perfect. Strong involvement between symptoms and gut integrity.

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#518570 - 04/16/18 06:47 AM Re: AS controlled [Re: Arindam]
MSKumar Offline
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Registered: 04/06/18
Posts: 2
Loc: India
Hi Arindam,

How is your health now? Is it good to use Fruits, because I saw some post stating not to eat fruits due to fructose. Being Veg finding diet without rice & fruits is very difficult.

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