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#517402 - 07/10/17 03:48 PM Multiple Sclerosis link to Prof Ebringer & opinion
DragonSlayer Offline
AS Czar

Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 6032
Loc: Reno or SFLU Philippines
For those interested, I'm posting my dropbox link to Ebringer's paper on MS and an abbreviated excerpt from Dr. Max Garten's book '"Civilized" Diseases and Their Circumvention.'

I did not want to start another forum, as this is not a topic we have enough familiarity with, but for some of us who have had this diagnosis due to using anti-tnf-a agents or otherwise friends who might have this condition. There is much more to say, but I have no more direct experience or knowledge than described in my meager contribution.

HEALTH,
John

Multiple Sclerosis
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Important AS Resources

Professor Ebringer: On Diet and AS;


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#517468 - 07/31/17 01:27 PM Re: Multiple Sclerosis link to Prof Ebringer & opinion [Re: DragonSlayer]
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Registered: 09/05/01
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Loc: Utah
Thanks John
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#517482 - 08/05/17 06:29 PM Re: Multiple Sclerosis link to Prof Ebringer & opinion [Re: DragonSlayer]
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Registered: 09/11/01
Posts: 8371
Loc: Gillette, Wyoming
DragonSlayer- I read the article again...
I have had so many cavities in my molars
repeated sinus infections

What I read seems to ring true.

As you know even a little starch throws me into flare.

Tell you wife hi!

Br'er Loooon

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#517485 - 08/05/17 10:39 PM Re: Multiple Sclerosis link to Prof Ebringer & opinion [Re: DragonSlayer]
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Thanks Steve and Lon--

It was so great seeing each of You last year, and I will always remember both taking the time to come and see us--a genuine honor!

Blessings,
John
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Important AS Resources

Professor Ebringer: On Diet and AS;


RED ARROW --> Philippines

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#517573 - 08/30/17 11:27 PM Re: Multiple Sclerosis link to Prof Ebringer & opinion [Re: DragonSlayer]
Magician Offline
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Registered: 09/21/09
Posts: 1244
Loc: Manitoba Canada
I found the article (Multiple Sclerosis) to be incredibly interesting. I swear my brother got all the good enamel and I did not get much. I pay for extra health insurance just for additional dental coverage. I have also had sinus infections over the years. Thanks again! smile


Edited by Magician (08/30/17 11:31 PM)
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Previously told Mechanical Back 'Issues'. Hate this term!
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#518017 - 01/06/18 10:22 AM Re: Multiple Sclerosis link to Prof Ebringer & opinion [Re: DragonSlayer]
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Loc: Gillette, Wyoming
Brother John-a wild hair - would be for Me to drive where you and Steve will be..... I have not met steve- but The challenge of being with you both and not getting arrested is such an interesting thing to consider!

This site and my friends have done so much for me over the years!

manly love to you / Steve!!!
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#518448 - 03/16/18 03:30 AM Re: Multiple Sclerosis link to Prof Ebringer & opinion [Re: Lon]
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Registered: 09/13/15
Posts: 218
Loc: Hubei, China
Mercury toxcicity can cause symptoms of MS.

The idea that Hg in the teeth provide a metal for biofilms to form in the head -- sinuses in particular -- is very plausible. And of course once those biofilms are established the biofilm has emergent properties that are more than the sum of its parts!

For each person the microorganism that triggers the MS syndrome will be different.
For a lady in John's article it appeared to be Acinetobacter calcoaceticus

In the case of the lady in this YouTube video it was Chlamydia pneumoniae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpMvDe8-qsM

And a given microorganism probably can cause different diseases in different people.

I was talking to a third year medical student in the hallway a week ago and she was familiar with these ideas and says that they are taught in her classes. So, times are changing -- even here in China. There is hope!

But the trick may be to not to see your old doctor that is only a few years from retirement and has no energy or motivation to be up-to-date, but see a young, energetic and (still) conscientious doctor that hasn't been out of school for more than five years.
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Vague AS symptoms in 20s and early 30s (no diagnosis).
During age 47 (2015) from NSAID use developed complete axial inflammation (started from from skull and progressed down to sacrum). Included psoriasis. Trigger in scull was reverse blockage in a SCUBA mishap in 2013. Straw that broke the camels back was over use of NSAIDs. NSD works well but not perfect. Strong involvement between symptoms and gut integrity.

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#518449 - 03/16/18 04:17 AM Re: Multiple Sclerosis link to Prof Ebringer & opinion [Re: Robin_H]
Frederick Offline
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Registered: 03/28/06
Posts: 244
Originally Posted By Robin_H


But the trick may be to not to see your old doctor that is only a few years from retirement and has no energy or motivation to be up-to-date, but see a young, energetic and (still) conscientious doctor that hasn't been out of school for more than five years.


Yes very good advice when possible.

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