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#511009 - 05/19/15 03:36 AM Re: I can eat starch again [Re: nsddude]
zark Offline
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Registered: 04/12/02
Posts: 2482
Loc: NSW, Oz
Hi nsddude,

>> found a product online .. Jarrow Formulas NattoMax

I don't think this supplement would work.. it looks to be just the nattokinase enzyme, and not the B Subtilis microbe. So nope, this won't work at all I'm afraid frown

The easiest way to get it is to find an Asian grocer that stocks some japanese stuff. Do a search on google maps in your area and call some of them.

Baruch mentioned wanting to try isolating the B Subtilis from the soybean by soaking the beans in water. A brief soak I suppose as otherwise starch will slowly seep out.

I only ate one or two teaspoons at a time when I started. I didn't have any reaction at the time! And I was definitely starch sensitive still, so I wouldn't be overly worried.

The most potent way to get the B Subtilis is to make your own at home, that way it will be fresh and very active. I bought some Nattomoto starter culture off eBay and I intend to try making my own at home in an electric yoghurt maker (well.. actually I have tried already failed, but I am not giving up yet). You can also use frozen Natto from the asian grocer as a starter.

Hope some more people will be game to try Natto as an experiment smile
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#511011 - 05/19/15 03:55 AM Re: I can eat starch again [Re: boz]
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Hi Boz,

>> There is several natto supplements out there

Please don't bother with anything that says "nattokinase" as that is just the enzyme and lacks the beneficial microbe. Search around some Asian grocers and you should eventually see it. Thus far all the Natto I have seen sold commercially looks kinda like this:

[img]http://www.japancentre.com/images/resources/images/images/5221/large.jpg?1273067848[/img]

Ehhh... I can't insert pictures? Oh well just click the link! smile
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#511103 - 05/26/15 04:44 AM Re: I can eat starch again [Re: zark]
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Aha! I will be buying a yoghurt maker and some natto starter, and try to brew up some natto myself wink
Found cheap yoghurt/natto machine and starter on ebay.
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#511110 - 05/26/15 10:59 AM Re: I can eat starch again [Re: Dotyisle]
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Registered: 08/01/14
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Guys

How long do you notice a difference once on the NSD diet?
WHta do you take for your energy as i am dying with no energy here!!! please help

Faz has AS and from London

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#513759 - 01/22/16 05:30 PM Re: I can eat starch again [Re: zark]
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Registered: 02/19/15
Posts: 4
Any update from the NATTO eaters?

I have not yet began the no starch diet, still in the "information gathering" phase. I'm in pain for years now but I had 4 episodes where I felt completely cured! It did not last long but it was MAGICAL! I started a journal to log everything I eat and how I feel to find out what is this magical ingredient. Maybe some asian food with natto? Who knows!

I am still reluctant to change my diet because...
1- I am not convinced (yet) it is the problem.
2- how will I find out this magical ingredient if I keep eating the same no starch food over and over. See my point?

Anyway, thanks all for your contribution, it gives me hope.

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