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#473238 - 07/13/12 11:51 PM
Re: questions about AS diets
[Re: bcho1971]
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AS Czar
Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 5136
Loc: So Cal (high chaparral)
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Hey, BMAN: Don't hesitate to ask questions--that is what we exist for. 1. what about garlic? Is it o.k? 2. What about sweet stuff like maple, agave, fructose? 3. Do you know anything about wheat grass? It is suopposed to make miracles in many disease, What about our case?
1: Garlic, while starchy to some degree, seems to have enough anti-bacterial action that it is usually not dangerous. 2: Again, ALL sugars are absorbed in the stomach, so do not make it down to the lower intestines where our nemesis bacterium could use it directly for food, which it prefers in the mind of its own. The residues in these things is not so bad, but stuff like caramel can be deadly for us. 3: Fresh wheatgrass juice is an absolute MIRACLE for those of us with AS; I can take down a flare quickly by using this in combination with a large amount of borage seed oil. HEALTH, John
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#473275 - 07/14/12 02:59 PM
Re: questions about AS diets
[Re: DragonSlayer]
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Journeyman_AS_Kicker
Registered: 07/07/12
Posts: 123
Loc: Israel Tel Aviv
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Hello, and again thank you for your help. Your answers are helping me make sense with all the mess a have been going through the past ten years. Im actually finding this process exciting, i hope that finally i can finds my limits, and bounderies, and take control of AS. I have starded on a LSD\NSD for the past few days, and i think i am getting some good results. My neck became looser, i think its the loosest it has been for the last 2 years!!! On the other hand, some minor flairs came back next to my shouldar, and i wanted to ask you if you can help figure out why. I have some suspects: I have been eating different fruits, afew dates, figues, and many cherries, and pair and apple puree that comes in a glass jar, and is very sweet(it tested negative for starch). Do you think i may be alergic to a specific fruit? Or maybee because i ate to many in one day i got a minor flair? maybee the apple puree is not good, because it is not fresh? Some people on the site wrote that they cannot tolerate fruit sugar. maybee that is my case? I think that maybee i had Candida in my past. Maybee that is the reason? Another interesting thing happend to me: I have been eating a carrot for breakfast for the last two weeks, and it felt o.k. I had a walk on the beach today, and got myself some carrot juice. It was very sweet, and i felt some nausia, and threw the juice away half wat through. after 5 minutes i felt my neck stiffen like a rock! It was amazing to see the connection... Can you explain this? And for some more general Questions  (hope you r not loosing your patience...) 1. I read here that sticky rice is o.k to eat. Does that mean that sushi rice is safe? 2. I didnt understand your answer about " natural starches" when i asked about beans...How safe/ dangerous are beans, lentils, kinoa etc. In my country we eat alot of "Hummus" which is a pate made out of Cheek Pees. What about green pees?(all in small amounts). 3. My naturophat doctor, sais i must not eat lots of meat protein, she calims it causes imflemations, What do you think of that?Every body on the site eats lots of meat, and they seem ok with it. 4. What do you think of this? I found it somewhere on the net, and other people wrote similar stuff... "I've had AS since 1988 (diagnosed). At first I was taking Naproxen and recently I've been taking Ibuprofen (about 600-800 mg) a day. I've been taking the Ibuprofen for several years (every day). So, I went to a party recently and drank a goodly amount of Chardonnay. Since then, my pain as disappeared. believe me, it is quite miraculous...Miraculous until I did a little bit of research. It seems that Chardonnay effect and kill Klebsiella. Without the Klebsiella or the copied response in those with HLA - B27, then the body has no need to fight (inflame) the body in response to bacteria and/or the Molecular Mimicry response do to the HLA B27 marker. This was reported by the American Society for microbiology. So, if the Chardonnay (fairly good amounts, but only one time) erradicates the reaction of the body's defense to the bacteria and/or the protein Mimicry due to the AS marker, then the condition will go into a state of remission immediately after the substances in the wine have been absorbed into the intestinal tract. This should immediately be followed up with a lower starched diet. So far I have not taken any drug, including the wine--since that few glasses. This appears to be a cure, or at least a method to trick the immune system to stop attacking through use of inflammation." 5. I am taking many plants against infections: Hapago,Primrose oil, Boswella, Passiflora,Glycyrrhilza, Curcumin, Ashwagandha+ Vitamin c, Omega 3, and antioxidant formula.Do you have anything to say about them? Some one told me that taking antioxidants is not a good idea in the case of auto-immune diseases, since it make the immune system stronger, while it is attacking our own body. Is this true? Do you think taking garlic pills on a daily basis can help? 6. What helps kill the imflemations besides wheet grass when they come? Well, thats all 4 now ,Sorry if there are any spelling mistakes. Take care, Bman
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#473287 - 07/14/12 04:15 PM
Re: questions about AS diets
[Re: bcho1971]
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Third_Degree_AS_Kicker
Registered: 04/24/12
Posts: 273
Loc: Pennsylvania
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That's very interesting about the Chardonnay! Have you tried it? I googled it and there a quite a few hits. PS: I love the way you spell chick peas! cheek pees 
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#473320 - 07/14/12 10:30 PM
Re: questions about AS diets
[Re: bcho1971]
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Journeyman_AS_Kicker
Registered: 07/07/12
Posts: 123
Loc: Israel Tel Aviv
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Hello Violeta. Not yet...Im glad you like my spelling mistakes  Have Good day!
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#473321 - 07/14/12 10:40 PM
Re: questions about AS diets
[Re: bcho1971]
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Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 1923
Loc: Auckland, New Zealand
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1. I read here that sticky rice is o.k to eat. Does that mean that sushi rice is safe?
No rice is not safe on the No/Low starch diet - no grains are. This was just a couple of people that found they could tolerate it. I replied to that post as below: Hi BMAN, in general NO rice is OK on either the Low Starch or No Starch diet. SOME people find after a long time on the diet they are then able to reintroduce a small amount of starch like rice into their diet.
If you want to start the No Starch Diet and have any hope of succeeding on it then you will need to eliminate all grains of any kind incl rice
I believe the above posts may mislead newbies a bit. It even got my hopes up so I cooked and tested some sushi rice and the iodine went black as Hades so definitely full of starch and not safe.
Hope that helps.
Edited by Kiwi (07/14/12 10:42 PM)
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#473337 - 07/15/12 02:14 AM
Re: questions about AS diets
[Re: bcho1971]
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Iron_AS_Kicker
Registered: 02/16/10
Posts: 1046
Loc: CA, USA
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3. My naturophat doctor, sais i must not eat lots of meat protein, she calims it causes imflemations, What do you think of that?Every body on the site eats lots of meat, and they seem ok with it.
Lots of diet studies have been done in the U.S. on people eating very unhealthy meats, meaning most meat found in our markets is raised very unhealthfuly -- animals are fed cheap foods rather than their natural foods, often crammed together in tight quarters, given antibiotics to help the poor unhealthy critters live long enough to be slaughtered at the desired time, and given hormones to make them grow quickly. It is no wonder these meats make people unhealthful too, but traditionally raised meats are not bad like that. Plenty of natural meat with plenty of vegetables is a good diet, better than typical grain-heavy diets.
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#473339 - 07/15/12 04:02 AM
Re: questions about AS diets
[Re: bcho1971]
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Very_Addicted_to_AS_Kickin
Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 8614
Loc: Brittany, France (since Nov 08...
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Hi Bman - your naturapath doctor mentions meat. That will most like be red meat. My own doctor says the same, NO red meats. So, I very rarely eat any red meat, at all. I eat no beef - the taste has become horrible to me, just can't tolerate it. Lamb/mutton, used to be a favourite, but now, hardly eat it at all. Which leaves poultry - chicken I don't much care for - but make a lot of chicken broth, to shich I add many fresh herbs and curcumin. So, wild fowl. Yes. OK with wild fowl. And rabbit is good. In France there is a lot of rabbit eaten - sadly, not wild rabbit but raised rabbit, so I go carefully with rabbit.
BTW. Yes, have noticed that red meat does indeed cause inflammation 'for me' - though others here seem OK with red meat.
I *love hummus (my fave is with coriander and lemon juice) but do find it inflammatory. Chick peas are very starchy.
I take a lot of curcumin. Both dried, powdered and fresh root of. Love the stuff. Boswellia Serrata is also a known anti-inflammatory, though 'can' cause hypertension (raised blood pressure), so 'I' have to be careful about taking it.
Have not found Chardonnay helps - except it is good to drink!
Take care -
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#473376 - 07/15/12 12:19 PM
Re: questions about AS diets
[Re: bcho1971]
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AS Czar
Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 5136
Loc: So Cal (high chaparral)
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Hi, BMAN:
1. I read here that sticky rice is o.k to eat. Does that mean that sushi rice is safe?
NO RICE IS SAFE, but some of us can tolerate it better than others. When I began my LSD/NSD, I was unable to eat rice without it causing a flare, but now it is not provocative (either sticky or not) because, I believe, I have not taken NSAIDs in many years and my intestinal tract is perhaps healed well enough that the germ has less access to secondary immune system. I believe that sticky rice is glutenous rice, which is rice adulterated with the wheat protein to which many people have a negative reaction; this variety certainly should be avoided over the plain rice. 2. I didnt understand your answer about " natural starches" when i asked about beans...How safe/ dangerous are beans, lentils, kinoa etc. In my country we eat alot of "Hummus" which is a pate made out of Cheek Pees. What about green pees?(all in small amounts). A "natural" starch would be starches which remain in their natural state: Hummus does not qualify, but whole chickpeas do. As much as the FACT of starch is the FORM of the starch; smaller the particle size and the more potential a starch will become the biomassive breeding ground for the bacteria. 3. My naturophat doctor, sais i must not eat lots of meat protein, she calims it causes imflemations, What do you think of that?Every body on the site eats lots of meat, and they seem ok with it. This is somewhat true. In the early stages of NSD, and while our intestinal tracts are mending, it is best to stay away from certain meats (red) and even egg yolks! These have AA (Arachidonic Acid) and the precursors which promote inflammation. However, very soon into the proper diet, these things should be re-incorporated into the diet for their immense food value. The issue is one of thresholds: IF one is going to eat inflammation-provoking foods THEN they should not eat inflammation-enhancing foods (AA), also. The NSD eliminates this problem/LSD less so. 4. What do you think of this? I found it somewhere on the net, and other people wrote similar stuff... "I've had AS since 1988 (diagnosed). At first I was taking Naproxen and recently I've been taking Ibuprofen (about 600-800 mg) a day. I've been taking the Ibuprofen for several years (every day). So, I went to a party recently and drank a goodly amount of Chardonnay. Since then, my pain as disappeared. believe me, it is quite miraculous...Miraculous until I did a little bit of research. It seems that Chardonnay effect and kill Klebsiella. Without the Klebsiella or the copied response in those with HLA - B27, then the body has no need to fight (inflame) the body in response to bacteria and/or the Molecular Mimicry response do to the HLA B27 marker. This was reported by the American Society for microbiology. So, if the Chardonnay (fairly good amounts, but only one time) erradicates the reaction of the body's defense to the bacteria and/or the protein Mimicry due to the AS marker, then the condition will go into a state of remission immediately after the substances in the wine have been absorbed into the intestinal tract. This should immediately be followed up with a lower starched diet. So far I have not taken any drug, including the wine--since that few glasses. This appears to be a cure, or at least a method to trick the immune system to stop attacking through use of inflammation."
I think this is a somewhat scattered way of thinking, but understandable to a point. With AS we are fighting some things at cross-purposes. It is possible that alcohol can kill the germ, but it can also mess up our intestinal tract enough to allow the germ greater access to our immune system. Our MAIN problem is the permeable gut. Not everyone with AS can tolerate alcoholic beverages, but it is allowed on the LSD and especially chardonay could be experimented with, certainly. 5. I am taking many plants against infections: Hapago,Primrose oil, Boswella, Passiflora,Glycyrrhilza, Curcumin, Ashwagandha+ Vitamin c, Omega 3, and antioxidant formula.Do you have anything to say about them? Some one told me that taking antioxidants is not a good idea in the case of auto-immune diseases, since it make the immune system stronger, while it is attacking our own body. Is this true? Do you think taking garlic pills on a daily basis can help? Regret ashwagandha is very starchy and should be avoided, and I think several other things on the list are rather dodgy, like glycyrrhilza (licorice); the others are probably all right and boswellia is possibly the best of this group. Antioxidants can help turn this disease around and help eliminate inflammation, so it is UNTRUE that people with autoimmune diseases should avoid them. 6. What helps kill the imflemations besides wheet grass when they come?
GLA (Gamma Linolenic Acid) from evening primrose, borage seed, or black currant, typically. Salmon, and possibly sea cucumber. FASTING, the Edgar Cayce Three Day Apple Diet. HEALTH, John
Edited by DragonSlayer (07/15/12 12:26 PM)
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