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#465725 - 03/26/12 09:21 PM oranges...
mystery Offline
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Registered: 08/14/10
Posts: 29
Hello, haven't posted since January flare, which I fasted my way out of. Thank God !!! Have found that eating oranges keeps me very regular and keeps my colon vacant and open. Now I will eat 3-4 at a time. Don't know if there is any correlation, but back has been doing well over last couple of months since pounding the oranges.

Just wondering if anyone thinks there is any correlation. Maybe the citrus does something to the Klebsiella ? Not sure, and maybe just interesting timing but would love to hear your thoughts on this.

Thank you. God Bless

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#465727 - 03/26/12 09:35 PM Re: oranges... [Re: mystery]
Sue22 Offline
Very_Addicted_to_AS_Kickin

Registered: 01/13/08
Posts: 19052
Loc: Upstate NY
could be the vitamin C

could be the timing

i know i'll think i'm doing everything right (regarding the bowels) and they'll be great, and then while continuing to do the same exact things, i'll start to go into a flare / i'll get constipated, not sure which is the chicken and which is the egg. thus far doctor and i haven't been able to figure out what's triggering the flares, though we discuss it every visit.

let's hope its the vitamin C, bioflavonoids, soluble fiber and that it continues along the same lines.

either way, very happy for you! cheerleader
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USpA
LDN/zanaflex/flector
vits C, D. probiotics. fish oil. CoQ, Mg, Ca
pred taper for flares
occasional naproxen / Aleve
chiro
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no dairy (casein sensitivity), limited eggs
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#465735 - 03/26/12 11:03 PM Re: oranges... [Re: mystery]
DragonSlayer Offline
AS Czar

Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 5135
Loc: So Cal (high chaparral)
Hi, mystery:


Good for vitC to help heal the tract. Oranges at this level of moderation are beneficial. If the pulp is not a problem for You that is great; perhaps You have enjoyed some level of gut healing.

However, much more than You have been consuming and things could go downhill. I was eating too many (about 3X what You are--I am in California...) one season and developed a bleed (intestinal) and had to stop. Also, they are kidney stone forming, so be sure to take plenty of calcium. That is counter-intuitive, I know.

Don't mess with a good thing--better keep consuming them!

HEALTH,
John
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#465746 - 03/27/12 04:55 AM Re: oranges... [Re: mystery]
jroc Offline
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Registered: 10/30/08
Posts: 682
Loc: New Zealand
Quote:
they are kidney stone forming, so be sure to take plenty of calcium. That is counter-intuitive, I know.

yep, not only counter-intuitive but unscientific and potentially dangerous.

"Calcium is one component of the most common type of human kidney stones, calcium oxalate. Some studies suggest that people who take supplemental calcium have a higher risk of developing kidney stones, and these findings have been used as the basis for setting the recommended daily intake (RDI) for calcium in adults.[7] In the Women's Health Initiative, postmenopausal women who consumed 1000mg of supplemental calcium and 400 international units of vitamin D per day for 7 years had a 17% higher risk of developing kidney stones than subjects taking a placebo.[8]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney_stone

"Citrus and kidney stones: Lemons, oranges, grapefruits, limes and other citrus contain a high amount of citric acid. It has been proved that this acid is able to is able to dissolve little stones or prevent their formation." - http://www.botanical-online.com/dietforkidneystones.htm

"If circumstances allow, eat oranges on a regular basis. Citrate found in oranges can decrease calcium oxalate formation in your genitourinary system; citrate competes with oxalate in binding to freely available calcium. A study published in the October 26 issue of the Clinical Journal of the American Society of Nephrology indicates that citrate found in oranges is a more effective binding partner with calcium than citrate found in other citrus fruits like lemons." - http://drbenkim.com/kidney-stones.html

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#465749 - 03/27/12 05:39 AM Re: oranges... [Re: mystery]
ValsMum Offline
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Registered: 07/05/10
Posts: 949
A couple of things came to mind as I read your post. If you're very regular and not constipated that helps the inflammation in the colon, and less inflammation less pain in the back.
I have read up on high dose vitamin c therapy and people with arthritis benefit sometimes from it. I read this informatin when I was reading alot about arthritis being caused due to an infection. I also read read something interesting about vitaminc, people who had negative reactions to cortisone injections and felt anxiuos or jittery felt better taking vitamin c.It's nice to see someone feeling better, I'm happy for you.
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#465763 - 03/27/12 11:19 AM Re: oranges... [Re: jroc]
DragonSlayer Offline
AS Czar

Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 5135
Loc: So Cal (high chaparral)
jroc:

Nearly everything You know is WRONG.

For people with AS (or any inflammatory disease) eating citrus can actually cause stone formation.

Additionally, it is not SERUM calcium that forms stones (from tracer studies) but BONE calcium--from deeply depleted calcium within the bones and not from supplements.

I made the mistake of following the 'accepted' advice. Never again. EXPERIENCE is everything.

You cannot Google Your way into WISDOM.

HEALTH,
John
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#465764 - 03/27/12 11:34 AM Re: oranges... [Re: mystery]
Oldtimer Offline
Black_Belt_AS_Kicker

Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 412
Loc: Vici Ok.
I love oranges, but let me eat a few and they make me hurt so bad I feel like I have been ran over by a Mack truck. Every few yrs. I have to prove that to myself again, just did it again a couple of weeks ago.
J.R.

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#465778 - 03/27/12 02:09 PM Re: oranges... [Re: mystery]
Dotyisle Offline


Registered: 03/07/02
Posts: 8297
Loc: Rosario, Argentina
Here in Argentina they fresh squeeze oranges to help with constipation. The sugar helps to bring water into the colon. It works for my 4 year old son.

I had never heard of fresh orange juice for constipation, but read up on it and found some information online stating the same.

I was thinking the same, maybe the regularity helps with the intestinal health and therefore the AS some.
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#465802 - 03/27/12 07:37 PM Re: oranges... [Re: mystery]
jroc Offline
Commanding_AS_Kicker

Registered: 10/30/08
Posts: 682
Loc: New Zealand
hi mystery, glad to hear the oranges are working. keep up the good work.

@DragonSlayer
Quote:
Nearly everything You know is WRONG.

i don't claim to know anything. i try to develop an informed opinion on an issue based on the best available information which is then subject to re-evalutaion as new evidence emerges. i try to provide others with this information so that they can draw their own conclusions, rather than just take my word for it.

Quote:
EXPERIENCE is everything.

personal experience can be a powerful motivator. however in your case it seems to have manifested itself as an unwavering omniscience. whilst you are unable yourself to follow any 'accepted' advice you have no problem dishing it out, even when it is at overwhelming odds with scientific evidence and others personal experiences. this is a classic symptom of grandiose delusions, which you also show other symptoms of.

"The delusions are generally fantastic and typically have a supernatural, science-fictional, or religious theme."(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions)

Quote:
I sought out a 'righted' (unique term to her, I believe) individual who was able to do life readings and she warned me it might not be pleasant. I did not believe the information at first, but since that time, I have put the pieces together and fully believe what she claimed of my life experience 1000 years ago. - http://www.kickas.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=451088#Post451088

unfortunately in the case of grandiose delusions "the sufferer does not have insight into his loss of touch with reality" so it can be a potentially dangerous condition if left untreated.


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#465809 - 03/27/12 09:08 PM Re: oranges... [Re: jroc]
DragonSlayer Offline
AS Czar

Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 5135
Loc: So Cal (high chaparral)
jroc:

Thank You for Your opinions. I enjoy hearing about myself, despite my inability to learn.

HEALTH,
John
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Important AS Resources

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