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#465096 - 03/18/12 12:22 AM Juice Fast
bettyrawker Offline
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Registered: 03/12/12
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Loc: Willamina, OR
Hi Everyone,

I am new to kickas, but not new to living with AS. I LOVE this site by the way!!

So I have been doing the NSD for 5 months, and I saw awesome results immediately. But as the weeks went by, my pains and colitis started creeping back in. I soon found myself reaching for pain pills or Alieve gel caps daily.

I fear that I may have to give up fruits, honey & raw chocolate. This would be dreadful, as I have started a raw foods snack & dessert company making awesome raw goodies using raw fruits, nuts, seeds, coconut & honey. I can live without starch forever, but dread having to give up fruits & sweets.

Here is my current No Starch Diet:
Breakfast: Green Smoothies with fruits & veggies, homemade hazelnut milk & raw cacao & dates, or chia/coconut pudding
Lunch: Salads with greens, veggies, starch free nuts, homemade dressings (like hempseed ranch, sesame tahini, or olive oil)
Dinner: grilled veggies, homemade soups, seafoods sometimes, or just a fruit/veggie smoothie

Anyway, has anyone tried a juice fast and had success? Today I started fasting on green fruit/veggie juices (most veggie/green based) and hope this will allow my colitis to calm the heck down, and I will continue for up to 30 days if it helps. So far I am juicing carrots, apples, cabbage, wheatgrass, rainbow chard, parsley, lemons, spinach, dandelion greens.

I would appreciate any comments on giving up natural sweets or juice fasting!

Thanks so much!!
Andrea Wyckoff
http://bettyrawker.com/
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#465099 - 03/18/12 01:37 AM Re: Juice Fast [Re: bettyrawker]
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Registered: 02/16/10
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Loc: CA, USA
What kinds of fruit do you eat? Modern apples are notorious for being starchy in practice even though in theory they should just have sugar. Are you using iodine testing to check whether your fruit might be starchy?

I would suggest a water fast for a day or two, since there is no way to make bad assumptions and eat something wrong. Then try sticking with "safe" fruit for a while, varieties that almost never have starch. Green grapes are good for instance, and I've heard fresh pineapple is also.

Also consider switching from the grilled vegetables to raw ones, if your colitis does not object, since many vegetables have some starch when cooked (or rather, the starch locked up inside cellulose becomes more accessible; I read about that in Carol Sinclair's book)

Finally, seeds tend to be a problem for most of us. In general they have more starch than most nuts (especially if you don't count the starchy pseudo-nuts like cashews and peanuts).

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#465105 - 03/18/12 11:18 AM Re: Juice Fast [Re: SJLC]
bettyrawker Offline
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Thanks for the input! I will glady trade grilled veggies for raw ones, it may help.

I do test EVERYTHING with iodine.

The only seeds I eat are ground up hemp seeds or sesame seeds, which I make into salad dressing or add to smoothies, awesome protein, omega 3's & 6's, and other minerals.

Fruits I eat include: frozen blueberries, strawberries, peaches, grapefruit, pineapple, ripe pears.

I also like to make homemade nutmilk with hazelnuts, and eat a fair amount of walnuts that have been soaked for 8 hours first. I was adding in some soaked/sprouted almonds which didn't show any starch when tested, but I have read almonds are a problem for some people?

The reason I chose a juice fast as I was totally inspired by the documentary, Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead. http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/about.html I am hoping that my body may experience the same sort of reboot these folks did!

Thanks again!!
Andrea
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#465106 - 03/18/12 01:12 PM Re: Juice Fast [Re: bettyrawker]
SJLC Offline
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Good luck on your juice fast. If it doesn't do all that you hope, try a short water fast later on, which is pretty much guaranteed to make you feel better as long as your body can handle a short fast (e.g. no major blood sugar issues).

Also consider taking a food sensitivity blood test, as there could easily be one or more things in your current diet to which you are intolerant, and can thus upset your digestion if you have a bit too much. That happened to me when I first started trying to transition from low-starch towards no-starch -- too many eggs made me feel pretty bad. When I took a food-intolerance blood test, egg whites showed up as a minor problem -- I don't notice the effects if I keep them down to a small amount per day (e.g. my favorite baker uses an egg white per batch of almond cookies, and eating a couple of those cookies doesn't seem to be a problem).

Food intolerance is one reason that almonds can be a problem, and keep in mind that other nuts and seeds are also common problems for those of us with poor gut function. If you can't get a food test that specifically checks all your nuts/seeds (e.g. hazelnuts and hemp are a little less common), it would be a good idea to try an elimination diet experiment to decide whether they affect you or not. The protocol is to eat a very "safe" diet (e.g. eat things that never have starch or lactose and which didn't show up as allergy-provoking on your blood test; examples for me include homemade chicken/turkey soup, green salads with oil/vinegar, homemade lactose-free yogurt) for one week as a baseline, then the next week you eat the same foods + the test food. If you start feeling worse after introducing the test food, then it is probably not good for you -- although outside events could invalidate the test and make you do it over (e.g. catching a virus can make you feel worse regardless of what you're eating).

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#465107 - 03/18/12 01:33 PM Re: Juice Fast [Re: bettyrawker]
SJLC Offline
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Originally Posted By: bettyrawker

The only seeds I eat are ground up hemp seeds or sesame seeds, which I make into salad dressing or add to smoothies, awesome protein, omega 3's & 6's, and other minerals.


This reminds me of advice from my GP, who is unusually well-studied in nutrition for a general doctor. Although omega 6 is essential for our bodies, only a small amount is needed. It would be almost impossible to avoid eating enough omega 6 even if you tried, being very very common in our food. The objective for those of with inflammation disorders should be to increase the amount of omega 3 compared to omega 6, since extra omega 6 is pro-inflammatory and extra omega 3 is anti-inflammatory.

A diet that is high in seeds and nuts will tend to be very deficient in omega 3, because they mostly have huge amounts of omega 6 and only a little bit of omega 3 to balance it.

Here is nutrition info on sesame seeds for instance:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3070/2

Look at how unbalanced omega 6 is compared to omega 3 -- sesame has over 50 times as much omega 6!

Hazelnuts:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3116/2

That one is even more lopsided, 90 times as much omega 6 as omega 3

So if you are looking for omega 3, you have to count all your seeds and nuts as an omega 3 deficit, rather than counting them as effective sources for omega 3. Seafood is the really effective source of omega 3, since it has a surplus of omega 3 over omega 6:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/finfish-and-shellfish-products/4259/2

My doc recommends taking plenty of fish oil to balance out all the excess omega 6 in our diets, thereby calming inflammation.

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#465140 - 03/18/12 09:50 PM Re: Juice Fast [Re: bettyrawker]
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First of all, I want to say how much I love your handle. It's awesome! laugh

As for your question, I definitely went through a juicing phase at one point. By the time I started experimenting with juicing, I had already eliminated sugars from my diet, so was focusing on things like red cabbage, celery, etc. Not very appetizing...

When I first embarked on my NSD journey, I enjoyed substantial improvement but after awhile noticed that my progress plateaued. Based on experiences of others on this forum, I experimented with removing sugar from my diet for one month. Within two weeks, I definitely found a direct link to sugar consumption and other symptoms I was battling (sinus infections, brain fog, etc.), so after one month of not adding sugar, I decided to keep avoiding sugar altogether. The first two weeks are the hardest. But to me, the biggest danger of being no starch / no sugar, is making sure that you get your calories from other sources. I cannot stress the importance of this.

The next big step I adopted after kicking sugar, was adopting a high fat diet. Whether it be spoons of coconut oil, butter (the only dairy that I eat), etc., eating much more fat helped tremendously. In hindsight, I ate too much protein and not enough fat when I initially removed sugar from my diet. It took about 3-4 months to figure things out, but ultimately I settled on a diet that I am content with. The diet is now second nature to me and is tolerable (but time intensive).

If sugar does impair the immune system, and if AS is an auto-immune disease, it stands to reason that selecting a diet to strengthen your immune system gives one the best chance. That's generally the philosophical approach I take with my diet and lifestyle now.

Kicking sugar is not easy, and as with all things, has its pros and cons. You just need to find something that is right for you and your situation. Good luck with whatever you try!
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#465180 - 03/19/12 12:23 PM Re: Juice Fast [Re: FormerFoodie]
bettyrawker Offline
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Registered: 03/12/12
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Loc: Willamina, OR
Thanks for the great feedback!!!

Well, it's day 3 on my juice fast, and I am feeling pretty awesome. My intestines are loving this! They have calmed down completely. My upper back/shoulder that has been freezing up has also calmed down. I am experiencing hip pains today that I haven't had in a while though, but for now I will just blame this on detoxing, as they almost seem like good achey pains, NOT, "holy crap, please stop all this inflamation pain!!"

I am using a juicer to make juices out of: apples, spinach, kale, cucumber, parsley, lemon, grapefruit, lime, carrot, ginger and some other fruits & veggies. The juice is awesome, and the sugars aren't bothering me at all! Yipee Yay, cuz I love fruit. I have been reading lots & lots the past few days, and once I heal my intestines up a bit from this juice fast, I plan to continue to eat mostly raw fruits & veggies with limited seeds, nuts, coconut, cacao & honey (this will be the true challenge and I love sweet raw treats - and I think these were part of what was getting me into trouble). And I will likely add some seafood if my body needs it.

Gotta luv this picture for all of us who are healing through diet:
[img:center]http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=farm...amp;FORM=IDFRIR[/img]

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002215747/Farmacy-58393498546_xlarge.png

I will keep you posted as the juice fast continues. I believe for me it is an excellent way to stop inflammation in its tracks. We are all so different, but for my body this seems to be working wink

Oh, and day 1 and 2 of only drinking only green juices were rough - I could feel a big detox, low energy, but not really any hunger. Just the desire to nap, relax & heal.

Thanks!!!
♥


Edited by bettyrawker (03/19/12 12:26 PM)
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#465346 - 03/21/12 11:50 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
bettyrawker Offline
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Registered: 03/12/12
Posts: 706
Loc: Willamina, OR
I just wanted to update everyone that my Juice Feast is going awesome. It is totally eliminating all the inflammation in my body! Huray!!!

Here is a link to my latest blog about it: http://bettyrawker.com/2012/03/21/day-4-of-my-30-day-juice-feast/

Today is Day 5, and I am ready to go all the way to 30! I have now decided that anytime I flare up ever again in the future the first thing I will do is reach for a glass of green juice instead of a pain pill or NSAID. Juicing is literally like Nature's "Paid Medicine". My body is totally relaxing, my aches are dissolving away, and I feel really content with everything. This is such a relief as I have been stuck in this state of inflammation where my body was so quick to flare up over the past couple months.

I will update more in a few days!

Thanks!
Andrea
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#465372 - 03/21/12 05:53 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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Registered: 03/07/02
Posts: 9097
Loc: Rosario, Argentina
Hello Andrea,

Glad to hear pain is getting better. I used to juice every day many years ago... but it is expensive.

I loved pineapple/strawberry mixer a lot.. but used carrots/apple combo or something with a bit of cabbage juice (cabbage juice has l-glutamine that is supposed to heal gut).

I find if I eat too much sugar, I run into problems with AS. It is actually candidas and I have to cut out sugar for a month.

Take care,

Tim
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#465374 - 03/21/12 06:14 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: Dotyisle]
bettyrawker Offline
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Registered: 03/12/12
Posts: 706
Loc: Willamina, OR
Hey Tim,

Thanks for the input! I too have battled Candida, I like to think that one day it will just go the heck away, but everytime I overdo sweets, it comes right back like a dear old friend, well more like a creep evil stalker.

I like to think that one day I will be able to enjoy honey again, after my gut starts healing back up! So far juicing fruits hasn't been a problem at all. I think I get into trouble with acutal white sugar (which I try to avoid as much as possible) and raw honey/nut/chocolate goodies.

I agree, juicing is totally expensive. I am getting some great produce at our Saturday Farmer's Market (organic spinach, apples, dandelion greens, kale) and I get organic carrots & more organic spinach from Costco for a great price too. But I do find this is causing me to spend a lot more at the grocery store for all the other produce. But I still think it's a lot cheaper than most of the doctor visits, tests and pills I have paid for over the years!

Two weeks ago I spent $180 for my first two colonics appointments, and boy do I just wish I spent that on fresh produce instead! The colonics seemed like a big waste to um.... expel waste, and not feel any better. Glad to say that juicing is what did it in the end wink

-Andrea
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#465644 - 03/25/12 05:39 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
bettyrawker Offline
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Registered: 03/12/12
Posts: 706
Loc: Willamina, OR
I LOVE Juicing!!

Today is Day 9 of my 30 day Juice Fast. Feeling major progress. My tummy is flatter than it's been in years, and I feel a drastic reduction of inflammation in my body! Yay!

For the past 5 months, I tested EVERYTHING with iodine, and didn't eat anything that showed positive for starch. Now that I am juicing, I decided to put the iodine bottle away, and I am just jucing whatever I feel like including ginger root and lots of apples, even some beet root. I haven't noticed any ill effects from any juices yet!

I also fet great progress was made using Oxy Powder. I am not one to usually endorse pills/supplements, but I really like the Oxy Powder. When I first ordered it a few weeks ago, I was worried it might irritate my already irritated intestines, but now that I am inflammation free, it seems like a great compliment to my fasting. I believe it is really helping to clear out the junk that has been holding me back inside.

http://bettyrawker.com/2012/03/25/day-9-of-my-30-day-juice-fast/

I was in a major flare before turning to this juice fast. I am happy to report that juicing has totally relaxed by body and helped me out of the flare.

In the future I will turn to a couple of days of green juice should another flare return. Pills just seem to do more damage than good, and they aren't as effective for me anymore. I also plan to continue on a LSD/NSD diet of mostly raw fruit & veggies with some seafoods, nuts & seeds.

xoxo


Edited by bettyrawker (03/25/12 05:50 PM)
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#465905 - 03/28/12 10:58 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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Andrea, I have UC and there is no way I could eat the things that you have been eating. I cannot eat any nuts, raw fruits or vegetables. To avoid the colitis problems I recommend goggling "residue free diet". All those raw fruits and vegies are like trying to digest a Brillo pad. I am amazed that you can live on your juice diet without loosing too much weight. I wonder how long you can stick with it without getting sick. I don't want to sound negative, but after many years with UC, I learned to be careful what I eat.
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#465939 - 03/29/12 12:09 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: avonldy]
bettyrawker Offline
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Registered: 03/12/12
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Loc: Willamina, OR
Hi Donna,

Thanks for you input! Very kind of you to share you experiences. I will totally look into the residue free diet!

Oh, my life would be dreadful without my raw fruits, veggies & nuts. You now I soak/sprout all nuts for at least 8 - 12 hours before ingesting them, this helps to remove enzyme inhibitors and make them more easily digestible. Have you ever had sprouted nuts? I stay far away from cooked/roasted nuts, but love sprouted ones wink And when I ingest nuts, its usually in a pureed form, like a nut based salad dressing or nutmilk. Or I pulverize them into a raw brownie with dates & chocolate.

I am happy to report that I am on Day 13 of my fast, and feeling awesome. I have only lost 7 pounds total in 13 days, and could even spare a few more, so I am not worried about weight loss, instead I am happy to feel that my intestines are working overtime to get cleaned up, and I have seen a lot of gunk leave my system and go bye bye! My eyes are brighter white, my inflammation in my body/back AS is way down!, and my senses are very heightened.

Also, when you juice your fruits & veggies, the last thing that comes to mind is a brillo pad? Or have you ever experienced the amazing life changing "Vitamix" appliance, it purees my smoothies when I am not juicing, spinach literally disappears into smoothies with pears, blueberries, or grapefruit. It also makes wonderful hazelnut milk and sesame seed milk, which tastes divine with strawberries and dates blended in.

I still have certain horrible trigger foods that I completely avoid as they don't work well in my body, like tomatoes, oranges, dairy, and white sugar. But I think I am on the right starch free tract for my body. I now look back, and fault too much taste testing of raw desserts with ingredients like raw cacao & honey for inspiring me to need a juice fast. When I finish this fast, I will focus more on fruits & smoothies early in the day, salads/veggies with nuts & seeds for lunch, and fish with veggies for dinner. Pretty much what I was doing minus subbing raw cacao, honey, date, nutmilk shakes for meals too often ~ that I believe got me into trouble.

xoxo,
Andrea
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#466517 - 04/04/12 12:37 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
bettyrawker Offline
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Registered: 03/12/12
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Loc: Willamina, OR
Well, I made it on only juices & water for a total of 14 days! At the end of 2 weeks, I felt so awesome, and so incredibly hungry that I decided to slowly add back in smoothies, salads, nuts, seeds & some fish. I am still drinking lots of juice & green smoothies, and virtually pain free, and will no doubt continue to do juice fasts in the future. Likely at the change of each new season, or if I run into any more inflammation. My new motto truly is "Green Juice is Nature's Pain Medicine". Give the body what it needs and it will amaze you.

I have written a blog with all the details of my fast and my new eating plan: http://bettyrawker.com/2012/04/04/day-14-of-my-14-day-juice-fast/

I am also now a big believer in the guidelines of food combining. I have truly expereinced the amazing phenomenon that if you eat only fruits with fruits (certain veggies like celery, cucumbers, lettcue are also allowed with fruit), and wait a few hours before eating any proteins or fats (or starches) your tummy won't get bloated and "ferment" the fruit. I am now eating all sorts of fruit smoothies and juice in the morning. A nice big salad with veggies and protein (nuts or fish) at lunch, and then for dinner I have the option of juicing and more fruit smoothies OR eating veggies & fats OR veggies & proteins. This way of eating has led to my tummy flattening down and inturn my colitis is no longer present.

What I had been witnessing over the years previous was this painful bloating that made me look 10 months pregnant each night, with tons of burping and gas. This I now realize led to my gut being full of harmful gasses which in turn did more damage to my gut leading to more pain, less good bacteria, and more bloating, etc..... The last few nights I have enjoyed a dinner of fruits without any bloating!!!

Like tonight for dinner I had:
Fresh Juice: green apple, ginger, lemon, celery
Smoothie: mango, date, vanilla bean
Raw Energy Bar: apple pulp (left over from juicing), dates, bee pollen, vanilla bean, shredded coconut.
Glass of water Kefir.

And tonight I finally feel like a regular gal, instead of a beached whale lying in my bed. And since my juice fast I have not woken up with that dreadful frozen shoulder/upper back pain I had been plagued with every morning for the past 9 months. It's gone!

Tomorrow night I look forward to a dinner of bbq'd carrots & asparagus and white fish w/ lemon juice & dill, and maybe some fresh greens on the side, but NO sugars or fruit after enjoying that protein!

Here is a simple food combining chart: http://www.alderbrooke.com/chart.php

I am sure I still have lots to learn about eating for true health, but I honestly feel that after all these years of experimenting with gluten-free, dairy-free, corn-free, then soy-free, and white sugar-free, to grain-free... this new way of looking at diet which includes endless posibilities of veggies, greens, fruits, nuts, seeds, seafoods, and grass fed beef seems so dreamy and delicious compared to all the processed crap I had long given up, that I honestly don't feel restricted in the slightest.

Also, all of this food combining info really makes sense to me. If you think about the Paleo Diet and the hunter/gatherer, well they were most likely eating what were probably more commonly mono meals, rather than huge Sunday dinner spreads. Like I imagine they might eat lots of fruits and berries during the time they are ripe, and then eat fish or red meats when they were able to hunt them, but they weren't likely combining all these foods together in a shepherd's pie with dinner rolls/butter, coffee/cola, followed by apple pie & ice cream each night which in the modern world is creating a whole lotta IBS/IBD for a whole lotta people. Just like most animals I am aware of eat one food at a time, as I have yet to see any wild animal host a potluck complete with deviled eggs, potato salad and jello. I am not suggesting anyone go as extreme as to eat mono meals, but it does make sense that the body evolved to process foods indepently of each other, especially fruits and proteins. Oh, and to tie this into fasting, well it was also common for the hunter/gatherer to go without food for periods of time, (same is true for all other mammals) and this is why fasting from time to time is a natural healthy thing to do! It also gives the body a chance to clean house & detox.

Here is another great link to a blog about a guy with AS and his wife both living in Australia, and their amazing experiences with a 10 day juice and smoothie reboot done just recently. He was able to get down to ZERO pain also around Day 8 of his reboot and continue to stay that way! http://farmerkskitchen.com/ks-reboot/

Best of Luck & Health to Everyone!!
Andrea

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#467552 - 04/16/12 02:55 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
samsplace15 Offline
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Andrea, you have inspired me with the great results of your fast! I am trying to wrap my brain around starch free cooking for a family plus juicing enough for a fast. Honestly my biggest concern would be weight loss. I have very little left that I could healthily loose. Is this something to worry about??

I am so tired of the concrete factory in my gut. I am to the point where I would fly across the country if I could find a GI that actually knew something about glucoamylase deficiency. Reading on this forum again, it really makes me wonder if there could be some link with AS and the enzyme deficiency that my daughter has been diagnosed with. I am negative for the gene, but fit so many symptoms that I have read about here.

I have written about our happiness with juicing at our blog http://www.ourbackyardhomestead.com/2012/03/why-green-juice.html

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#467553 - 04/16/12 03:18 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: samsplace15]
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Registered: 03/12/12
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Loc: Willamina, OR
Hey Samsplace 15,

I would love to hear about your experiences if you do a juice fast! I enjoyed reading your blog post - so true the feel good benefits of juice!!

In my 14 day juice fast I lost about 7 pounds total. I then lost another 2 pounds after the fast by eating smaller meals.

I think the best thing about the juice fast is it gives the gut & body time to heal and detox. I personally believe the AS nightmare starts in the gut - so juice fasting is a great way to continue to feed the body full of nutrients while giving the gut a chance to heal. If you are concered about losing too much weight, maybe you can incorporate smoothies into your fast? Friends of mine in Australia did a juice/smoothie fast over 10 days, and the one with AS took his pain level down to ZERO in just 10 days. (link to his sotry is in my previous post above)

Or you can try a shorter fast - but just beware that the first few days on a fast can dredge up all sorts of aches & pains as the body detoxifies, and then you usually feel amazing about a week into it, and I have read it is best to continue for 2 days of feeling amazing before eating again. Also, when breaking fast, it is very important to SLOWLY incorporate foods again, I did this by only drinking smoothies for the 15th day.

As far as starch free meals for you family - would your family be into drinking starch free smoothies with you each morning for breakfast? Chia seed pudding is another easy, filling and starch free breakfast. I just soak the chia seeds in homemade almond or hazelnut milk, sweeten with dates, and it's ready in 10 minutes to eat. Or strawberries & chia is amazing together.

Best of luck & health!!!
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#470971 - 06/02/12 04:01 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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Andrea,
I just finished watching the documentary "Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead". I am taking 7 mgs of prednisone like the man who is in the documentary. It makes me want to do the juice fast too. I feel alot better with the nsd but I am cheating too often and still hurting too much. I am thin, so I don't have weight to loose but part of mw wonders if I can get off my prednisone if I fasted for awhile and I would like to have less pain, even though my pain has gotten somewhat better it is still there everyday. Thanks for posting the link for the documentary , that is how I ended up watching it.I would recommend it for sure.
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#471008 - 06/02/12 10:35 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: ValsMum]
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That is wonderful that you saw the documentary! I absolutely LOVE it, so inspiring & so true!!

I think that any amount of juice fasting brings a huge benefit to the body. Our bodies (and especially those of us with AS, leaky guts, IBD, etc) spend so much energy on digestion, that a juice fast gives the body a chance to focus on healing itself with the energy that normally gets used up by digestion and inflammatory responses in the gut.

I think going 7 - 14 days on fresh green juices is an incredible experience and will most likely knock out pain in anyone, but why not start small, and just replace a meal a day with a fresh juice or smoothie. Maybe go 24 hours once per week on just juices and smoothies...

If you are worried about weight loss, I would suggest adding nuts & dates to your smoothies. I am currently in love with a daily Brazil Nut "milk shake" with raw chocolate, peppermint oil and dates. (I puree the Brazil nuts with water in my Vitamix, strain the milk through, then blend with dates, cacao & peppermit oil. I then add in some raw cacao nibs which are the purest form of chocoalte and a bit bitter, but wonderful with this drink!) And that is not low-calorie my any means! If you add medjool dates to a mango smoothie, you can totally increase the calories too, and it is my ultimate favorite sweet treat.

I turned all of my co-workers onto green smoothies in the mornings, and it is such a lovely way to start the day!

Here is a link to all sorts of smoothie recipes: http://www.incrediblesmoothies.com/green-smoothie-recipes/

Let me know if you find any smoothie or juice recipes you like! And let me know if it makes any differnce in your daily pain levels!! ~ I sure hope it does wink

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#475982 - 08/30/12 01:03 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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Juice fasting is a good method for the fat burning and weight losing.
It has no any side effects for the health as compare to other methods of weight losing.
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#476090 - 08/31/12 01:09 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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I too have UC and AS. my UC preceeded my AS. All my problems I feel come from the gut lining.

I had just done a 21 day juice fast three months ago but it included one meal a day. I am skinny and felt very depleted on it. It helped somewhat with my pain but I think my gut is so bad eating one meal a day still did me in. I just made sure the one meal was gluten free.

I have previously tried the starch free diet for three months and I felt awful on it. But i was not juicing, i was eating animal products way too much. my cholesterol went through the roof and I was eating a lot of sugar.

One of the previous posters stated that juicing is not good for her UC. I find it very beneficial personally for my gut. It's food that I have problems with.

I too just watched fat and almost dead. It was an inspiring movie and it inspired me to take a different approach.

I'm going to base my juicing reboot on the specific carbohydrate diet developed by Ellaine Gotschall. She is a biochemist who studied the effect of food on the gut. Many many people have healed their gut/intestines and put their UC/colitis in remission from the diet. Which is a lot of fruits and vegetables and meats. Many people are eating "bland" diets of grains and blaming veggies/fruits for their symptoms.

after the juicing reboot I'm going to follow the diet for a least one month to see what kind of progress I can make.

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#476098 - 08/31/12 04:19 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: finnari]
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I love how you think Finnari!

I did the SCDiet to a "T" a few years ago. I was as strict as one can be, and I hung around the SCD yahoo forum quite a bit, making sure I followed that diet 100%. I did it for 6 months not once cheating, and then over the years til now, stuck to a modified version of it, ultimately allowing potatoes, rice, tofu back in my diet.

But now, being most a raw vegan (with healthy amounts of salmon, white fish, or grass fed beef each week). I am feeling awesome, and on my game. There are other foods out there that cause me inflammation, and I finally figured them all out, like tomatoes & oranges are on the top of that list, along with soy.

Anyhow, I think you are on a great path. Juicing even just for the first 1/2 of the day followed by pureed veggies & soups, smoothies, is so amazing for fighting inflammation and giving the gut time to heal.

I found when I was strict SCD. I ate WAY too many animal products. I made the 24 hour yogurt (and this I believe worked against me in the end) and I ate so much damn meat, so much chicken, pork, beef, all very acidic and not "healing foods" in my book. I think some meat is great in a healthy diet, but being mostly plant based with fresh fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds, greens, is an optimal diet for me. It has REALLY helped keep my colitis at bay too!

I now think of myself as eating SCD "legal" foods (with small adjustments like some cocoa, maple syrup, etc). I also really identify with being on a very low starch paleo diet. And I eat around 80% raw foods. Living raw foods are so full of enzymes that they work with the body in digestion, and also provide a perfect source of pure water, as opposed to pulling out water from the body to digest a big huge piece of meat, pile of rice & bread, as well as taxing the body by needing the body to create more enzymes to break down the food.

You also made a great point about people poo-pooing fresh fruits & veggies, while eating other foods that might be the true root cause and blaming the fruits & veggies instead. Fresh fruits & veggies are so hydrating and nourishing. They are also very cleansing, and once a body adjusts to eating fresh foods, it will poop 2 or 3 times a day, the colon will be happy, the inflammation will go away, and the person will likely feel way more energy to do other things then digest "dead" foods.

Best of luck to you on your path!! It sounds great!

-Andrea
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#476104 - 08/31/12 05:28 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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Betty you're whole post is a great inspiration to me. I've been searching for this elusive "key" to getting my gut working for a long time.
Interesting I bought the SCD book by Elaine Gotcshell about 10 years ago. The thought of eating like planned in the book was way to difficult in my mind at the time. but yesterday I was doing my daily meditation and focusing on "robust health" when for some reason the book title entered my consciousness. Weird uh? I hadnt looked at the book for a long long time.

the latest 21 day juice fast has kind of retrained by taste buds. It was nauseating at first to drink green juice in the morning. I was used to gluten free toast, jam and coffee (followed by a morning snack of gluten free bagels with GF pasta and meat for lunch lol).
Now I prefer the green juices with no fruits in them. It's not a problem.
My only concern is weight. I'm 6'4 about 170 now. I went from 180 to 160 on my three week odessey of juicing/one meal a day. Many people asked if I was "sick" lol. Not pleasant.
I have read in Elaine's book people started gaining weight when their gut started to heal so it will be interesting. I'm not for certain what the actual plan is going to be. I might do a three-7 day juice reboot or just start following the diet.
What do you think?

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#476105 - 08/31/12 06:08 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: finnari]
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I could TOTALLY relate to your morning coffee, gluten free toast with jam, followed by a gluten free baked goodie. OMG. That was me. Maybe some Thai food with tofu & rice for lunch, then more rice & veggies for dinner. Sluggish all day. Horrible gut inflammation. Eating sugary foods & coffee to try and get my energy up. I feel so great now-a-days though, I could never go back, and luckily I don't feel like I am missing out at all. I can't encourage you enough to look into some "raw" recipes out there in cyberspace, the list of amazing healthy recipes is endless, you could never tire of them. I also have some on my website to get you going.

3-7 days of juicing sounds great if you are experiencing inflammation right now, I think it is the best way to break out of inflammation mode. But you can also just jump right into eating SCD legal foods too, with an emphasis on raw fruits & veggies. Or in an ideal world, eat lots of fresh fruits, veggies, greens, fish, etc during the day, then after like 3pm or 4pm, only juice. I seem to find the most inflammation in my gut in the evenings, and going to bed with a bloated tummy full of food takes energy away from the body healing itself, as it has to focus all this energy on digesting food all night.

At the moment I am working on an outline for another raw foods class I will be teaching and don't these Fall Harvest inspired dishes sound divine:

Carrot, Apple, Apricot Chutney
Wilted Kale w/ Veggies & Hemp Seeds
Raw Savory Stuffing w/ Mushroom Gravy
Raw Apple Pie
Raw Peppermint Fudge


all 100% Grain Free, Gluten Free, Dairy Free, White Sugar Free, Corn Free, & Soy Free. Yet FULL of nutrients, fresh herbs, & tasty ingredients.

Here is a sample of a raw savory stuffing:
1 bunch celery
1 green onion
parsley to taste
1 C almonds (soaked/sprouted)
1 avocado
sage to taste

In a food processor, puree celery, green onion, and parsley
Drain (save juice for soup)
In a nut/coffee mill, grind nuts fine
Mash avocado thoroughly with a fork
Combine all ingredients and mix well.
- you could also top with some dried cranberries, and mix in fresh rosemary, and other herbs. even chopped apple too

-Andrea
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#476106 - 08/31/12 06:24 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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Here is an awesome SCD legal Raw Apple pie recipe too:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=raw+...B5251073FD6A9E7

- there are many variations of raw apple pies out there too. I also only soak my raw almonds over night for 8 - 12 hours, then if you bought high quality raw almonds, the skins will slide right off, and the almonds will have popped a bit, as in started to sprout.

Please keep me posted on your new diet & how it makes you feel! My colon has never been happier! I had an xray done a few years ago, and at the time I was bordering on having a "toxic megacolon" the doctor had never seen one more inflammed and full of crap. That is what first inspired me to do SCD.

-Andrea
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#476107 - 08/31/12 06:27 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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to be honest they dont sound so divine. lol.

Thankfully for whole foods I can go in there and ask people what those ingredients are exactly. Half the stuff I have no idea what they are. lol.

but i have a vitamix and a juicer so I've at least been training for a while. And I have bought a lot of raw deserts lately but even those will need to go, the ones with agave and maple syrup.

You have no idea how much white sugar I've consumed in my thirties. I did an ALCAT allergy test and it said I had a severe intolerance towards it and probably explains the candida and gut dysbiosis.

Anyway I'm glad you're on here. I rarely look in here anymore and if I'm going to check out your blog for recipes. Going to make me some almond cookies and a bunch of cocunut sweets.

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#476108 - 08/31/12 06:35 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: finnari]
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Oh yes, I totally avoid agave. I have read it feeds klebsiella like wildfire. It's got a prebiotic, inulin or something.

My first choice of sweetners is: medjool dates.
2nd choice is honey, sparingly.
followed by maple syrup once in a while.

I HATE white sugar though. I absolutely cannot tolerate it. It makes my joints and skin "crawl". And I hate the mood swings with it.

Most of the time my taste buds are jumping for joy with just fresh fruit though. Lately a plate of fresh peaches & blueberries has been the most perfect afternoon snack or dessert.

I also don't believe that fruit feeds candida. I believe white sugar, grains, dairy lactose all feed candida. And one last thing, to avoid bloating and candida, eat your fresh fruits alone, without heavy proteins or fats. If combined with meats or fats, your easily digestible fruit will get hung up in yoru GI tract & ferment, therefore causing those candida symptoms. Look up "food combining" rules if you experience bloating on SCD.

Best of Luck & Health!!
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#476110 - 08/31/12 06:42 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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Yea I learned long time ago not to eat fruit or veggies with my food. Dont want to make wine in my belly. LOL.

Even now under no particular special diet its pretty clean:

fruit smoothie in morning.
two GF toast a little later. with coffee
veggies juiced for lunch
chips and guacomole a little later.
supper meat and potatoes or rice (ouch).
night snack of raw desert.

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#476177 - 09/02/12 03:37 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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This post fascinates me. I just watched 'fat, sick and nearly dead' and am now pumped up and inspired to give this a shot. Do you mind if I ask what you are juicing Betty?

Cheers!

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#476185 - 09/02/12 10:24 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: seb]
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Hey Seb,

I am actually in the middle of a 3 Day Juice Fast right now, over the Labor Day Weekend.

Over the past 2 months I have been working 7 days per week, (as I started my new business on the weekends) and I have gone on some overnight trips out of town (work related) where much wine and restaurant food, coffee, etc was consumed (I work for a winery during the week). Anyhow, all the restaurant food, working long days and drinking coffee again started to wear on me, so I decided to take a 3 day break, close down my business for the weekend, and drink some juice. It is going great so far!

I buy most of my produce at a local farm stand, so I am juicing a large amount of gravestein apples, cucumbers, zucchini, and some fresh peaches!, and then I add in lemons, limes, ginger, celery, parsley, wheatgrass, watercress, or chard.

My most favorite drink in the entire world is: 2 green apples, 1 lemon, 1/2 bunch celery, bunch of parsley, 1-2 inches ginger root, and handfull of wheatgrass if I have it on hand. This juice is the perfect way for me to start a day. I had one yesterday before racing out the door to an early yoga class, and had the best yoga experience! I also refrain from taking curcumin or any other supplements during a fast. Just a way to let the body clean itself out and do some repair work.

It is pretty common for a frist time juice fast for people to feel crappy the fist 2 days, low energy, maybe a headache, but usually by 3 day, everyone I know who fasts, is feeling unlimited energy, low or no inflammation, and excited out life. After yoga yesterday I felt awesome for a few hours, did some errands, and then crawled into bed for the best "detox" nap ever. Then went about my evening cutting up 40 pounds of farm fresh peaches into freezer bags for smoothies year round. To add to our 80 pounds of frozen cherries, and tomorrow we are going to friends organic farm to pick free blackberries. I love to stock up on fruit during the summer when it is around $1 per pound and then freeze it, along with all my raw frozen nuts. I feel so much like a squirrel!

-Andrea
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#476216 - 09/02/12 10:42 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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Okay, small update. This just fast only went 24 hours. I broke down this evening for a homemade almond milk, raw cacao, date, ice, vanilla bean, "milk shake" (loaded with magnesium, posttasium, and feel good properties). ~ and boy did it feel good!!

We have a super busy day tomorrow, and my energy was just shot today, spent all of it in bed. But I still feel like it was a positive experience, overall, but wow, did my "seasonal allergies" kick my butt today. Sneeze, sniffle. It happened last time around day 8 of my 14 day juice fast, but today was only day 2. I will totally juice fast again, but decided to add back in some smoothies and fermented sauer kraut tonight to be on my "A" game for a big day tomorrow.

I am totally pain free at the moment! And I am still a huge proponet of juicing. (Juicing is powerful stuff!) Just wanted to be honest this time I only went 2 days. wink But I did stay strong and avoid eating any of the whole albacore tuna my husband smoked in our smoker all weekend. It was cured in brown sugar, and looked & smelled amazing, but I am going to stick to a very low key vegan diet for a few more days.

I will pack some juices along for our trip tomorrow, but will also pack along some homemade raw coconut, date, nut, cacao based snacks for increased energy tomorrow.

Cheers to Health!
-Andrea


Edited by bettyrawker (09/02/12 10:44 PM)
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#476232 - 09/03/12 10:22 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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Started the SCD diet yesterday. That is after I had a cup of coffee in the morning:).
I had a raspberry/blueberry smoothie in the morning.
mid morning bacon and eggs with a cup of coffee (the author did say weak coffee was okay but I think I'm going to not drink it daily or cut it altogeather).
lunch: juiced cucumbers, kale, carrots, apples, beets and ginger.
I did an afternoon yoga class and had no problem with energy.
for supper my wife made me a nut flour,jack cheese and tomato paste pizza. It was "okay" I cant say great or bad.

It seems the recipes in the authors book and online really depend on the home made yoghurt. I might invest in one of those machines but I'm going to wait until my intestines heal a bit.
I've tried probiotics three times in the past and they have made me flair horribly each time. My naturopath says it's because my body is still too weak to take them. Who knows.

The author did seem to indicate the yoghurt is an essential part of the healing of then intestines with the whole "healthy bacteria" thing.

I was at whole foods yesterday and noticed all the cheeses they have. I'm still skeptical about buying cheese and eating it but I might have to considering the limitations of this diet. And they did have dry curd too but it looks pretty gross.


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#476233 - 09/03/12 10:39 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: finnari]
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You can try making yogurt without buying a yogurt maker so that you don't end up like me with a basement full of machines that are no longer being used. All you have to do is make the yogurt, put it in any size jar, and then put the jars inside a cooler with warm water. When I first started making it I did that, but then bought a maker that came with 7 six ounce jars. I'm back to making it the cooler method because bathing it in warm water works much better and I can make as much as I want at a time.

I've started and stopped eating yogurt many times. I think it would bother me after a while because of adding fruit. I'm not adding fruit this time, just sugar, and it's not bothering me. But also if you make it with raw milk, if you can get it, it's a totally different product. Also, I saw John mention in a post about taking maybe 2 tablespoons of yogurt 2X a day. Starting out small might make a big difference.

I don't know if you've heard that it's possible to have different reactions to milk from different cows, too, but I do much better with milk from ayrshire cows. I'm not sure but it might be because the fat globules are smaller and easier to digest.

Just as with the NSD, you can come up with different ways to do the SCD, so if one way doesn't work you might want try tweeking it to fit your body. For example, a lot of the autistic kids didn't do well with the legal foods that are high in oxalates. Well, you can imagine how many different possible difficulties there could be.


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#476234 - 09/03/12 10:53 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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thanks violeta. The author made it sound that the temperature was so critical in getting the yoghurt right. Besides I'm a guy I hate the fuss:)
She did mention in the book about waiting to eat yoghurt and starting off with one tablespoon to see how you feel.


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#476235 - 09/03/12 11:04 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: finnari]
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I did the SCD religiously with the 24 hour yogurt, and I had already given up dairy years earlier knowing it was a problem for me, but I wanted to give SCD my best shot, and assumed maybe it was just a lactose thing and maybe the yogurt would work since it ate up all the lactose...

Well, 6 months into "very very strict" SCD I was still having issues, burning pain in my gut/side, like an ulcer, oh, it would wake me up at night! And I was also having crawling feeling joint pains in my legs. The ND said, if I learn one thing from him, it would be to give up dairy. I did this and over those next few weeks, my residual pains started to go away! My gut/ucler feeling stopped buring at night, my legs stopped aching so horribly, and the sensitive spot on my spine stopped hurting so badly.

After my personal experience, I would personally recommend doing the SCD diet with another probiotic maybe sauer kraut, kombucha, water kefir, other fermented veggies.

I personally believe as a species we would have so many less health problems if we didn't rely on another animal speicies "mother's milk" for nutrients. I can say one thing for sure, and that is my body does a helluva lot better with out it wink

But to each their own! Ultimately I wish you the best for healing!!! And you gotta listen to your own body for that.

xoxo,
-Andrea
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#476238 - 09/03/12 11:45 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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I think I will at least try the yoghurt in a few weeks. I've read some people saying it made the biggest difference to actaully do the yoghurt thing.
Like andrea says though to each his own. Only one way to find out and that's try.
Both allergy testing and ALCAT testing indicate I have no issues with dairy. But cassein is very inflammatory and I know ice cream and my gut do not get along. Testing cannot reveal as much as your own intuitive experience.


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#476239 - 09/03/12 11:57 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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I cannot have SCD youghurt. Strange you doing the SCD thing, it's not so different than NSD smile
actually i am on a combination of both with the note that i try to eat mostly raw or homemade.

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#476240 - 09/03/12 11:57 AM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: finnari]
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It does take a lot of fuss without the yogurt maker. I have to check the water to make sure the temperature is holding. But sometimes the temperature is too low for awhile and the yogurt gets just great, just takes a little longer. Truly, we don't like fussy guys, so you're okay there.

Do you have Alta Dena yogurt out there? I don't know that there's big enough difference between the 24 hour yogurt and either Alta Dena or Brown Cow to not be able to tell if it's alright for you or not.

I didn't do well on SCD, either, and I gave up yogurt for a long time. But I also didn't do well on macrobiotic, vegan, raw vegan, Primal, let's see, what else did I try. Oh, yeah, NSD. frown I did okay with juicing for awhile, but after awhile that didn't work, either. Actually, I did juicing a lot of different ways, too. Gerson, Primal, orange juice on the WAI diet......

I've been on and off a low purine diet for several years since my joint/tendon pain got really bad. I found Alexander Haig's books online and they explained so many things. I go off it every so often for different diets thinking that the theory behind them makes sense, but I always have to go back. Just yesterday I put some raw cacao powder in my milk and had the awful feeling in my legs and up to go potty every hour last night that I used to have almost all the time while vegan.

For me I'm very glad that we have cows and goats to provide food. They eat the grass (which when I eat it I get gas) and transform the beta carotene into Vitamin A(which my body doesn't do) and the Vitamin K1 into Vitamin K2 (which my body doesn't do, either.) Plant chemicals make me more sick than dairy; I don't know how many people have that problem. Some people don't eat the dairy but at the same time they eat the meat!

I'm finding that the more uric acid I get out of my body the less other foods bother me. Before I started this diet, I also got a burning pain at the bottom of my stomach, maybe the pylorus, whenever I ate any cooked starch. That's totally gone, and dairy isn't making it come back.

In all fairness, I still have problems that come and go. Eating dairy for protein, though, doesn't bring back the worst symptoms that are signals to me that things are going in the wrong direction, such as headaches, poor circulation(my lips start to get a blue tinge and my skin gets gray) and cramps in my feet and legs.

One thing for sure, you have to eat! It gets very frustrating, almost scary, sometimes.

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#476246 - 09/03/12 01:04 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: Alinus]
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Originally Posted By: Alinus
I cannot have SCD youghurt. Strange you doing the SCD thing, it's not so different than NSD smile
actually i am on a combination of both with the note that i try to eat mostly raw or homemade.

good luck

Yea well I am strange.

NSD was terrible for me. But at the time I was not into juicing like I am today. I was eating way too much meat, chocolate and stuff like coconut ice cream. Plus it allows sugar which I suspect is a problem for me.

My AS started with a bad gut. So I'm hoping this corrects my gut problem and hence my AS symptoms. Who knows till you try.

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#476248 - 09/03/12 01:29 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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violet: I dont want to mess around and eat any commercial yoghurt. I want to be a good boy and follow the rules:)

Food is one of the great x factors in treating illness. Food is and can be medicine I would think. I sure wish I could still be doing great on my enbrel and eating what I want but that's not the case anymore.

My AS really blew up when I got sick in Thailand. So I know my gut is a big factor. Wether it can control my AS I dont know.

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#476249 - 09/03/12 02:00 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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Yes, that's a good boy! If it was commercial and it bothered you, you wouldn't be able to be sure why. Well, you can make small portions in your oven with the jars of yogurt in a pan of water. That's a little easier than in a cooler with hot water.

I do believe that the right food is a factor in treating illness, too. Relieving stress is important, too, much more so than I ever realized, but that's another story. That can be a really tough one to take on depending on your circumstances.

I don't know if the right food is enough at some stages. I read an article about the secret life of dogs the other day, and I'm wondering if bacteria have a secret life. I have read that if you cut out sugar, well, the bacteria have a solution for that, just go deeper into the tissue. So I'm thinking, and I've been this way before, to try a little harder at killing them. I think the state of the tissue is very important as to whether they want or are able to survive there, and they like metals like mercury. I've even read that some bacteria surround the mercury and it can save our lives. Of course it's better to get it out, but that can be difficult. But I'm going down that road again, too.

So besides not putting poison called food in my mouth, I'm going to work on killing the bacteria with a couple of good teas and some Miracle Mineral Supplement, work on getting out the heavy metals with this stuff that I used to use a lot of from www.dnrsite.com, and put good bacteria back in with yogurt. One other thing that is hard to convince others about it removing acids from the tissue. Bacteria really like an acidic environment. The two acids that cause me big problems are uric acid and oxalic acid. I think the places that I still get pain are pockets of acids.

I just remembered that Alexander Haig said that when the uric acid comes out, the microbes automatically come out, so I guess it is possible to take care of the whole mess with a diet that gets uric acid out. That's not easy, though.


Edited by Violeta (09/03/12 06:06 PM)

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#476323 - 09/04/12 10:30 PM Re: Juice Fast - Update [Re: bettyrawker]
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Day two and decide to make bread today. I found the dry curd cottage cheess at Whole foods. It is also called "farmers cheese" and I bought some russian brand, which seems to be okay by the SCD sites. I used it to make bread with nut flour.
It turned out amazing. I'm shocked because I'm terrible in the kitchen. But I bought some unpasteurized honey and wow it's real good.
Otherwise I was very hungry with eliminating all the flour from my diet.

T

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