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#464572 - 03/09/12 02:14 PM Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them)
chicharito Offline
Apprentice_AS_Kicker

Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 95
Loc: Mexico
Hi everyone

Just wanted to share, and look for advice and handling this two..

Ten days ago I was traveling and I found having terrible pain in my back and my sac joint.. I didn't sleep much and decided to finally say goodbye to coffee. Next day, without drinking my coffee, I felt better; I had noticed my coffee (with 2 sugars) was the immediate predecessor to the stiffness in my neck.

It has been hard.

Quickly after I stopped the intake of sugar and caffeine constipation appeared. To be honest I don't seem to need caffeine for energy, as I seem to have stable energy throughout the day without ups and downs, but because of the constipation, I started having pain again. Stiffness in my back, can't handle frustration very good.

At the beginning I felt better than now. I assume this should pass, as constipation has gone and I should start feeling better soon, but my mood and all that has me wondering if saying goodbye to caffeine and mainly sugar was a good idea..

Did you have similar experiences quitting taking sugar and caffeine?

Is avoiding sugar and caffeine and starch and milk just too much?

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#464577 - 03/09/12 02:49 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
Grumpyally Offline
Fourth_Degree_AS_Kicker

Registered: 01/24/12
Posts: 325
Loc: UK
Hi,
I dont drink coffee so I cant help on the caffeine front but I definitely find too much sugar affects me. Sugar generally is bad for you anyway so try just omitting the sugar for a bit, hard though it is on top of everything else.

It could also be that you feel worse because your body is experiencing 'die off symptoms'/craving (which can be anything from constipation/diarrohea lethargy or worsening of symptoms!) for what your body isn't getting anymore. When we were away one time and ran out of coffee my hubby got a terrible withdrawal headache/migraine.

I am sure others will be better able to advise you but thats my two penneth smile
_________________________
NSD almost all the way
No dairy hard cheeses occasionally and homemade ghee
Still trying to work out what makes me tick and what makes me drop

'Chew your drinks and drink your foods'
'Let your knife & fork do the work of your teeth and let your teeth do the work of your stomach'
Mahatma Gandhi

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#464581 - 03/09/12 03:30 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
Alinus Offline
Ninja_AS_Kicker

Registered: 01/09/10
Posts: 839
Loc: Romania, Suceava
try sweetening your coffee with honey if you know sugar is bad for you. that's the way i do it.

and what do you mean by "too much" - are sugar, caffeine, starch and milk essential to your life?
_________________________
34. Some rheumys say AS stage 1-2 some others say USpA
Also UC - rectocolitis.

UC curently in remission since feb 2011.
AS/USpA remission march-aug 2011. Flare - sept-nov 2011 (antibiotics). Remission now...

Modified NSD/SCD. Cook your own !
____________________________________________________________
Mesalazine-Salofalk 500 mg/day

And the list of my medication has become verry short after some years on this diet smile

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#464582 - 03/09/12 03:51 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
Pea Offline
Captain_AS_Kicker

Registered: 02/24/11
Posts: 1908
Loc: Pacific Northwest
clap Hi Chich,
You know what, I'm glad you tried something and saw the result's. That's big! Glad you didn't have a migraine. If I don't have my half cup in the morning, woooo, big old headache, same goes without eating before noon.

I went off of coffee to help stomach ulcers years ago. it wasn't the caffeine it it, it was the oil in the coffee. You will see it. It is small but sit's on top of the coffee. I switched to tea and that helped. I got my caffeine but not the oil. Sounds like you like coffee but don't need it for energy. Caffeine does help some people go to the bathroom though. If you need something for constipation occasionally try the Milk of Magnesia tablets. I take 3 at night (start with 2) and see if that works. If not take 2 more in the morning.

It's all work isn't it! Glad to hear though that you are working through it. Glad you posted!
_________________________
Pea
Diagnosed with A.S. 28 year's ago.
Diagnosed with Fibro 9 year's ago.
Remicade, Intrathecal Pain Pump 2013

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#464598 - 03/09/12 08:49 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
chicharito Offline
Apprentice_AS_Kicker

Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 95
Loc: Mexico

Ally, I hope it's the detox that's got me like this, because I if this was the life after sugar I wouldn't stand it! Lol

Alinus, sadly, most of my life I abused those substances, it's really difficult to me to quit sugar. But you are right.

Pea, I think I drank the coffee for the combination of caffeine, sugar and flavour. Thankfully constipation is gone, but it lasted a couple of days and left some problems.

I come to realize now that a sore throat is making things worse. I'm taking garlic gelcaps at night so it might be viral, who knows. Or the whole imbalance bringing back to life old hidden bacteria.

Bargain time: Is honey as bad as sugar?

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#464611 - 03/10/12 05:46 AM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
Grumpyally Offline
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Registered: 01/24/12
Posts: 325
Loc: UK
I am now about to use only honey for sweetening baking etc. I have been reading about it and this is from the book : Honey is far more natural for our bodies and far less damaging it has a lot of health giving properties. It works as an antiseptic and provides vitamins, minerals, amino acids and many other bio active substances.

It needs to be as unprocessed an natural as possible preferably cold pressed. Of course taken in moderation!
_________________________
NSD almost all the way
No dairy hard cheeses occasionally and homemade ghee
Still trying to work out what makes me tick and what makes me drop

'Chew your drinks and drink your foods'
'Let your knife & fork do the work of your teeth and let your teeth do the work of your stomach'
Mahatma Gandhi

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#464618 - 03/10/12 12:16 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
Alinus Offline
Ninja_AS_Kicker

Registered: 01/09/10
Posts: 839
Loc: Romania, Suceava
two notes on honey:
1. moderation.
2. it becomes toxic when used at high temperatures.
_________________________
34. Some rheumys say AS stage 1-2 some others say USpA
Also UC - rectocolitis.

UC curently in remission since feb 2011.
AS/USpA remission march-aug 2011. Flare - sept-nov 2011 (antibiotics). Remission now...

Modified NSD/SCD. Cook your own !
____________________________________________________________
Mesalazine-Salofalk 500 mg/day

And the list of my medication has become verry short after some years on this diet smile

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#464629 - 03/10/12 01:44 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: Alinus]
SJLC Offline
Iron_AS_Kicker

Registered: 02/16/10
Posts: 1046
Loc: CA, USA
Originally Posted By: Alinus

2. it becomes toxic when used at high temperatures.


Is this what you're talking about, that fructose in honey generates a toxic substance when boiled?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090826110118.htm

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#464635 - 03/10/12 03:46 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
Pea Offline
Captain_AS_Kicker

Registered: 02/24/11
Posts: 1908
Loc: Pacific Northwest
Wow, that was some interesting material! Wow!
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Pea
Diagnosed with A.S. 28 year's ago.
Diagnosed with Fibro 9 year's ago.
Remicade, Intrathecal Pain Pump 2013

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#464636 - 03/10/12 03:54 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: Alinus]
Grumpyally Offline
Fourth_Degree_AS_Kicker

Registered: 01/24/12
Posts: 325
Loc: UK
That sounds nasty. Does that cover all honey or is it just the commercial big producers that feed the bees the high fructose corn syrup Would organic honey be ok. I will have to look into it as I was planning on using honey instead of sugar in my one treat - baked stuff.

It just reinforces the fact that you can't trust anything manufactured unless you know the source. My other alternative was palm sugar, though I know sugar is just a plain old baddie full stop whatever you use.
_________________________
NSD almost all the way
No dairy hard cheeses occasionally and homemade ghee
Still trying to work out what makes me tick and what makes me drop

'Chew your drinks and drink your foods'
'Let your knife & fork do the work of your teeth and let your teeth do the work of your stomach'
Mahatma Gandhi

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#464639 - 03/10/12 04:02 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
Alinus Offline
Ninja_AS_Kicker

Registered: 01/09/10
Posts: 839
Loc: Romania, Suceava
it covers all honey.
so use it, but do not boil it.
_________________________
34. Some rheumys say AS stage 1-2 some others say USpA
Also UC - rectocolitis.

UC curently in remission since feb 2011.
AS/USpA remission march-aug 2011. Flare - sept-nov 2011 (antibiotics). Remission now...

Modified NSD/SCD. Cook your own !
____________________________________________________________
Mesalazine-Salofalk 500 mg/day

And the list of my medication has become verry short after some years on this diet smile

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#464985 - 03/16/12 07:21 AM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
ValsMum Offline
Steel_AS_Kicker

Registered: 07/05/10
Posts: 1130
ChicCharito,

I too just gave up coffee and sugar. Well first coffee, but I weaned myself off of it. I hate cold turkey, I'm a baby! I just weaned off of it over two weeks or so, that way I wouldn't get a headache.

Sugar was one thing I did not want to give up. I think-- what is life without sugar, I admit I am a sugar addict. However, after a day without it, I feel so much better. My back does not feel as inflamed. I know I have to give it up. Just a note, becasue I am a sugar addict I started putting a lot of honey in my tea, too much because after a couple weeks I stopped the overconsumption of honey and my back pain lessenned. Moderation with the honey is key , I had like 8 cups of chammomile a day with honey it while I was not eating sugar, it didn't do me any good. I feel like I should be writing a book called confessions of a sugar addict or honey addict. So embarrassing:)

I heard from a couple people here at kickas that they can feel the pain within minutes or the hour when they eat sugar. I just expeirenced that myself. I think when I'm out of a flare and doing better then I introduce something my body does not like I can feel it quicker.

Maybe one serving a day of sugar won't hurt you, you can keep a food diary and that way you can see if it really affects you.

I read a book in my teens called "Sugar Blues" and I didn't eat sugar for a whole year, it was the best I felt in many years.

take care!!
_________________________
Dxd with RA. No Starch Diet relieves my SI joint pain.
Dr Mercola's RA Protocol: Eliminate Grains, Sugars, processed food, eat as close to raw as possible ... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/08/16/rheumatoid-arthritis-protocol.aspx

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#465147 - 03/18/12 11:59 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
rippin Offline
Member

Registered: 02/20/12
Posts: 36
This is my current diet - no sugar, no fruits except berries, no starch products. Basically I eat greens, berries and poultry/fish. Nuts and seeds from time to time.

I should mention I don't have AS, bit rather PsA with spinal involvement.

Remember by eating rubbish you are really only keeping your tongue happy to the detriment of the rest of your body.

McDonalds and the like are criminals the way they feed people.

R

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#465283 - 03/20/12 03:26 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
ValsMum Offline
Steel_AS_Kicker

Registered: 07/05/10
Posts: 1130
I like Dr Joel Furman's acronym : GOMBS,it stands for greens,onions,mushrooms,berries and seeds.

I have been trying to buy these at the store each time I shop. He has helped countless patients get off their meds for arthritis, high blood pressure, diabetes etc. His diet is similar to no starch diet, but it focuses on high nutrient value of the food being the most important thing for his protocol.
_________________________
Dxd with RA. No Starch Diet relieves my SI joint pain.
Dr Mercola's RA Protocol: Eliminate Grains, Sugars, processed food, eat as close to raw as possible ... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/08/16/rheumatoid-arthritis-protocol.aspx

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#465295 - 03/20/12 04:36 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
Sue22 Offline
Very_Addicted_to_AS_Kickin

Registered: 01/13/08
Posts: 20633
Loc: Upstate NY
caffeine flares my gastritis faster than anything.

i never did coffee or much soda, but love tea.

now i only consume herbal teas every day. every morning its a big mug of herbal ginger tea. later in the day its mint-chammomile.

and for a treat, a little green once or twice a weak, oolong once a week, and my stomach is ok.

i save the black tea (with the most caffeine) for when i get migraines. nothing wipes them out better than caffeine (for me).
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sue

Spondyloarthropathy, HLAB27 negative
Humira (still methylprednisone for flares, just not as often. Aleve if needed, rarely.)
LDN/zanaflex/flector patches over SI/ice
vits C, D. probiotics. hyaluronic acid. CoQ, Mg, Ca, K.
chiro
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no dairy (casein sensitivity), limited eggs, limited yeast (bread)

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#465373 - 03/21/12 05:58 PM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: chicharito]
Dotyisle Offline


Registered: 03/07/02
Posts: 9086
Loc: Rosario, Argentina
Hello Chicharito,

What is reason for giving up sugar? NSD does not require giving up sugar.

I drink "mate cocido" every morning.. it does not have caffeine, but has some similar stimulant. If I go without I get headaches. also noticed it helps with regularity in bathroom.

Hope all is well.

Tim
_________________________
AS may win some battles, but I will win the war.

KONK - Keep ON Kicking

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#465395 - 03/22/12 03:09 AM Re: Sugar and Caffeine (1 week without them) [Re: Dotyisle]
chicharito Offline
Apprentice_AS_Kicker

Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 95
Loc: Mexico
Hey everybody, thanks for all the comments.

I'm going to tell you something.. I cheated!! for the second time today.

4 days ago I had a coffee, but my stomach had had time to recover a bit and it didn't hurt me too much. But to be honest, with honey, not so great as with my normal 2 sugars. So I thought, well, apparently I can drink coffee again and brewed a cup but after the first sip I knew I was going to react badly to it, so I poured it in the sink.

But today I had another try, I was a bit tired but I know why I was tired: I had baked a cream cheese cake with coconut flour, it was a bit too heavy and I had too much, so I wasn't able to rest much during sleep. So I had a coffee today, with honey, and I overreacted to a money problem.. I had a bad afternoon because of caffeine.

To be honest, I'm feeling very well overall, I think I'm starting to benefit greatly from my diet. I know it's hard to give up sugar I know -- believe me, I know! -- but I guess in the long run I will benefit greatly and won't miss it.

Tim - I have mate tea but in little bags, it's a good replacement of coffee I guess, but I thought it contained caffeine?

Valsmum, I just got the book Sugar Blues, I just started reading it in the little spare time I have.

About the honey, would pouring it on hot coffee would count as boiling it?

I will try to stay away from coffee and sugar. I don't have much pain lately, and I'm off the NSAIDs and counting that I'm tapering down venlafaxine I think my body is loving this new diet.

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